Turn on an NBA game and look at the audience? You see a lot of white people. You see Asian.......Latino.......and Black. Do they take out their shoe laces to satisfy the warden they won't hang themselves? Nope. You see Black bankers look like that? Black lawyers? Do they need to be educated?

It was stopped and the NBA enjoyed a better images.

If a person is racist they are not not big NBA fans anyway.

Like it was said, ON COMPANY TIME! They can dress and endorse any way they want out side of it.

Wade has his own watch now. its like 15k.

Damn Nix, I expected better from you!

Nalod wrote:Nix, if the NBA players were looking like the images we see on TV, that rap artists dressing like gangsters then what in the hell do you think people are going to think? Racist? No, its freaking business.

Turn on an NBA game and look at the audience? You see a lot of white people. You see Asian.......Latino.......and Black. Do they take out their shoe laces to satisfy the warden they won't hang themselves? Nope. You see Black bankers look like that? Black lawyers? Do they need to be educated?

It was stopped and the NBA enjoyed a better images.

If a person is racist they are not not big NBA fans anyway.

Like it was said, ON COMPANY TIME! They can dress and endorse any way they want out side of it.

Wade has his own watch now. its like 15k.

Damn Nix, I expected better from you!

You don't understand that people take prejudiced views and actions and often dont realize that they are in fact doing it. 1st of all not every player dressed like he was starring in a hip hop video! The whole thing was not really necessary IMO. Styles change and eventually fashion would've
Moved on to something else as it did! For several years kids have been wearing mire collard shirts and less of the oversized clothes we saw in the past. Regardless it was a rule aimed at young urban oriented players. Guys like Allen Iverson! It's not like every player dressed like he did! This was an overreaction.

NBA Dress Code.
In a memo issued Monday, the NBA set forth a "minimum" dress code starting with the 2005-2006 season. The following highlights are excerpted from the memo:
1. General Policy: Business Casual
Players are required to wear Business Casual attire whenever they are engaged in team or league business. "Business Casual" attire means:
•  A long or short-sleeved dress shirt (collared or turtleneck), and/or a sweater.
•  Dress slacks, khaki pants, or dress jeans.
•  Appropriate shoes and socks, including dress shoes, dress boots, or other presentable shoes, but not including sneakers, sandals, flip-flops, or work boots.
2. Exceptions to Business Casual
There are the following exceptions to the general policy of Business Casual attire:
a. Players In Attendance At Games But Not In Uniform
Players who are in attendance at games but not in uniform are required to wear the following additional items when seated on the bench or in the stands during the game:
•  Sport Coat.
•  Dress shoes or boots, and socks.
3. Excluded Items
The following is a list of items that players are not allowed to wear while on team or league business:
•  Sleeveless shirts.
•  Shorts.
•  T-shirts, jerseys, or sports apparel (unless appropriate for the event (e.g., a basketball clinic), team-identified, and approved by the team).
• Headgear of any kind while a player is sitting on the bench or in the stands at a game, during media interviews, or during a team or league event or appearance (unless appropriate for the event or appearance, team-identified, and approved by the team).
• Chains, pendants, or medallions worn over the player's clothes.
• Sunglasses while indoors.
• Headphones (other than on the team bus or plane, or in the team locker room).

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hip Hop culture isn't one set style or representative of one area. Players today reflect that variety. We've come a long way since the days of Allen Iverson wearing gold chains and cornrow braids. Most guys have a more sophisticated urban style that is more Diddy, Common, Drake and Kanye than NWA! Man times change and those old stereotypes no longer fit.

I'm very connected to the music industry and tho there are still some very street thug Hip Hop artists out there, there are more non thug artists and fans of the Hip Hop Culture. Most NBA players fit that latter group. People outside the culture always seem to lack recognition of this fact. Just visit a college and look around at the kids and listen to who they're into.

WELL NIX, I am very connected as well, not sure what you do, but my wife and I(moreso my wife) work with a lot of these artist on a weekly basis, and I can tell you that the hip hop culture still has a lot of "thugery" going on.... but I agree, you still have your sophisticated urban style, but that is still the minorty... you still get a lot of the saggy pants, silly costumes and debasing music in the hip hop culture.. sad but true.. I can understand the NBA wanting to clean up it's look a bit, go a little more professional and actually cater a bit to the people that spend a bulk of the money....

Just visit a college and look around at the kids and listen to who they're into.

the problem is, those kids are not buying luxury boxes and season tickets... heck they are not even buying the league pass...

There's nothing you can tell me about the Hip Hop Culture, Rock, country... I live and breath music and entertainment 24/7-365 and I have my entire life!!! My father was in the music biz and so am I. I deal with both young and old musicians and in particular I know from direct 1st hand knowledge what's going on on college campuses!!! This is what I do. Be that as it may, some bigoted biz exec that knows nothing about Urban culture would say some dumb crap like your acquaintance did.

There's nothing wrong with the policy in that they want a more professional look on the bench but that's not what it was about. They feared other out of touch and prejudiced fans would be turned off and rather than educating them on the fact that dress doesn't indicate behavior they figured do the simple thing and make the players dress up to put the folks at ease. It's borderline racist! As if oversized clothes made someone dangerous or unfit somehow. Look workplace dress codes are fine but the underlying purpose of this one is wrong.

dude, I can tell you a lot about the hip hop culture, anyone can learn... I grew up with a family member who has sold millions of rap albums... two of my close HS classmates(and still friends) were part of two rap groups that have several platinum albums, my brother has produced one of the biggest PPV rap shows ever... My wife works with rappers on a daily basis.. YOU CAN LEARN..stop acting as if you know it all.. you don't... who do you hang around on a daily basis that has their pulse on the hip hop culture.. all I have to do is pick up my speed deal my friend... but again, you miss the point... I have nothing to prove to you, really, this is silly.. i hear this stuff from people all of the time everyone is in the "music biz" but that is cool, I will let you have that.. but.. I think you are wrong.. my opinion nix.. and honestly, this has nothing to do with race, or bigotry, but appealing to part of your customer base.... the part that spends most of the money...

Again, how many kids on these campuses are buying luxury boxes?

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nix, if the NBA players were looking like the images we see on TV, that rap artists dressing like gangsters then what in the hell do you think people are going to think? Racist? No, its freaking business.

Turn on an NBA game and look at the audience? You see a lot of white people. You see Asian.......Latino.......and Black. Do they take out their shoe laces to satisfy the warden they won't hang themselves? Nope. You see Black bankers look like that? Black lawyers? Do they need to be educated?

It was stopped and the NBA enjoyed a better images.

If a person is racist they are not not big NBA fans anyway.

Like it was said, ON COMPANY TIME! They can dress and endorse any way they want out side of it.

Wade has his own watch now. its like 15k.

Damn Nix, I expected better from you!

You don't understand that people take prejudiced views and actions and often dont realize that they are in fact doing it. 1st of all not every player dressed like he was starring in a hip hop video! The whole thing was not really necessary IMO. Styles change and eventually fashion would've
Moved on to something else as it did! For several years kids have been wearing mire collard shirts and less of the oversized clothes we saw in the past. Regardless it was a rule aimed at young urban oriented players. Guys like Allen Iverson! It's not like every player dressed like he did! This was an overreaction.

NBA Dress Code.
In a memo issued Monday, the NBA set forth a "minimum" dress code starting with the 2005-2006 season. The following highlights are excerpted from the memo:
1. General Policy: Business Casual
Players are required to wear Business Casual attire whenever they are engaged in team or league business. "Business Casual" attire means:
•  A long or short-sleeved dress shirt (collared or turtleneck), and/or a sweater.
•  Dress slacks, khaki pants, or dress jeans.
•  Appropriate shoes and socks, including dress shoes, dress boots, or other presentable shoes, but not including sneakers, sandals, flip-flops, or work boots.
2. Exceptions to Business Casual
There are the following exceptions to the general policy of Business Casual attire:
a. Players In Attendance At Games But Not In Uniform
Players who are in attendance at games but not in uniform are required to wear the following additional items when seated on the bench or in the stands during the game:
•  Sport Coat.
•  Dress shoes or boots, and socks.
3. Excluded Items
The following is a list of items that players are not allowed to wear while on team or league business:
•  Sleeveless shirts.
•  Shorts.
•  T-shirts, jerseys, or sports apparel (unless appropriate for the event (e.g., a basketball clinic), team-identified, and approved by the team).
• Headgear of any kind while a player is sitting on the bench or in the stands at a game, during media interviews, or during a team or league event or appearance (unless appropriate for the event or appearance, team-identified, and approved by the team).
• Chains, pendants, or medallions worn over the player's clothes.
• Sunglasses while indoors.
• Headphones (other than on the team bus or plane, or in the team locker room).

wow, and this is a big deal nix?

my wife used to work for Delta, as an employee when we flew with her using her family passes, we all had to dress in kaki's and a dress shirt, all of had to dress up... could not wear jeans and a t-shir, or flip flops.. it is company policy.. either that or pay full price and fly how you want.... companies have rules... can you blame them? you represent them...

And this hurts the man-egos of a group of 20-35 year-old players who think the world now owes them everything because they've been blessed with the ability to play a sport at the highest level. Including but not limited to:

chartered planes, gourmet meals on those planes, five-star hotels, state-of-the-art practice facilities, the best possible training staffs, extra tickets for every game, enabling of entourages, ass-kisses and (in some cases) allowing their friends to hitch rides on team charters.

Yes, this definitely sounds like owners are treating players like property.

Grow....the....fuck....up.

December 15th --- scab players, here we come!

jrodmc wrote:So essentially Stern mandated:
1) a dress code,
2) the telling of time,
3) and rules against anything that might smack of fighting during games (or riots in the stands).

And this hurts the man-egos of a group of 20-35 year-old players who think the world now owes them everything because they've been blessed with the ability to play a sport at the highest level. Including but not limited to:

chartered planes, gourmet meals on those planes, five-star hotels, state-of-the-art practice facilities, the best possible training staffs, extra tickets for every game, enabling of entourages, ass-kisses and (in some cases) allowing their friends to hitch rides on team charters.

And since they have been blessed with the ability to perform on a platform they don't do squat to provide or maintain, which also allows them to make tremendous amounts of money in endorsements, they now should be free from any interference from the out-of-touch, fussy old douchebags who own and run the platform.

Yes, this definitely sounds like owners are treating players like property.

Grow....the....fuck....up.

December 15th --- scab players, here we come!

I said this all along, and it may sound like hyperbole, and that is ok, but I think the players feel the only right the owners should have is to write their checks....

These owners give the players the best of everything.. how do the players think these fivestar hotels, chartered planes, per diems, gorument meals, training facilities and staff is all paid for?

To think they are not being treated fairly because there are rules they have to follow is disgusting, the players want all of the power, but none, absolutely none of the risk and responsibility of running a business...

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hip Hop culture isn't one set style or representative of one area. Players today reflect that variety. We've come a long way since the days of Allen Iverson wearing gold chains and cornrow braids. Most guys have a more sophisticated urban style that is more Diddy, Common, Drake and Kanye than NWA! Man times change and those old stereotypes no longer fit.

I'm very connected to the music industry and tho there are still some very street thug Hip Hop artists out there, there are more non thug artists and fans of the Hip Hop Culture. Most NBA players fit that latter group. People outside the culture always seem to lack recognition of this fact. Just visit a college and look around at the kids and listen to who they're into.

WELL NIX, I am very connected as well, not sure what you do, but my wife and I(moreso my wife) work with a lot of these artist on a weekly basis, and I can tell you that the hip hop culture still has a lot of "thugery" going on.... but I agree, you still have your sophisticated urban style, but that is still the minorty... you still get a lot of the saggy pants, silly costumes and debasing music in the hip hop culture.. sad but true.. I can understand the NBA wanting to clean up it's look a bit, go a little more professional and actually cater a bit to the people that spend a bulk of the money....

Just visit a college and look around at the kids and listen to who they're into.

the problem is, those kids are not buying luxury boxes and season tickets... heck they are not even buying the league pass...

There's nothing you can tell me about the Hip Hop Culture, Rock, country... I live and breath music and entertainment 24/7-365 and I have my entire life!!! My father was in the music biz and so am I. I deal with both young and old musicians and in particular I know from direct 1st hand knowledge what's going on on college campuses!!! This is what I do. Be that as it may, some bigoted biz exec that knows nothing about Urban culture would say some dumb crap like your acquaintance did.

There's nothing wrong with the policy in that they want a more professional look on the bench but that's not what it was about. They feared other out of touch and prejudiced fans would be turned off and rather than educating them on the fact that dress doesn't indicate behavior they figured do the simple thing and make the players dress up to put the folks at ease. It's borderline racist! As if oversized clothes made someone dangerous or unfit somehow. Look workplace dress codes are fine but the underlying purpose of this one is wrong.

dude, I can tell you a lot about the hip hop culture, anyone can learn... I grew up with a family member who has sold millions of rap albums... two of my close HS classmates(and still friends) were part of two rap groups that have several platinum albums, my brother has produced one of the biggest PPV rap shows ever... My wife works with rappers on a daily basis.. YOU CAN LEARN..stop acting as if you know it all.. you don't... who do you hang around on a daily basis that has their pulse on the hip hop culture.. all I have to do is pick up my speed deal my friend... but again, you miss the point... I have nothing to prove to you, really, this is silly.. i hear this stuff from people all of the time everyone is in the "music biz" but that is cool, I will let you have that.. but.. I think you are wrong.. my opinion nix.. and honestly, this has nothing to do with race, or bigotry, but appealing to part of your customer base.... the part that spends most of the money...

Again, how many kids on these campuses are buying luxury boxes?

None of your experiences trumps anything in my life but that wasn't the point I was trying to make! This isn't a contest between you and me! The dress code was an overreaction to a few guys that took their casual dress too far and perhaps had some discipline issues. I realize that there were entourages and fights that further enhanced the fears of some fans who already held bigoted views of young urban players assuming they were all thugs. Stern figured if the fans didn't see guys with chains and a FUBU shirt on it would put these fans at ease.

My contention is that fashion changes as it always has and most styles today no longer look anything like those from 5-10 years ago. It was a phase and not everyone dressed in the same manner but mostly it was clearly an anti urban/hip hop culture move to please certain folks who never deal with young men like that thus it was impossible for them to realize that judging a book by it's cover is always a mistake.

The real issue here is that Stern has a job to do but he could do it without creating animosity with the very people the league is dependent upon. All this has led to the level of distrust we see today!

rofl...did you read what you just wrote? but that is not the point you were trying to make? ok man... whatever... I guess If I told you I were Jayz himself you would still say... that doesn't trump me, but anyway that wasn't my point......

The real issue here is that Stern has a job to do but he could do it without creating animosity with the very people the league is dependent upon. All this has led to the level of distrust we see today!

I don't buy that.. the real issue is that these players don't like to be told what to do.. anything short of telling these babies that they do whatever they want would have created animosity.. the players need to grow up and be professionals...

jrodmc wrote:So essentially Stern mandated:
1) a dress code,
2) the telling of time,
3) and rules against anything that might smack of fighting during games (or riots in the stands).

And this hurts the man-egos of a group of 20-35 year-old players who think the world now owes them everything because they've been blessed with the ability to play a sport at the highest level. Including but not limited to:

chartered planes, gourmet meals on those planes, five-star hotels, state-of-the-art practice facilities, the best possible training staffs, extra tickets for every game, enabling of entourages, ass-kisses and (in some cases) allowing their friends to hitch rides on team charters.

And since they have been blessed with the ability to perform on a platform they don't do squat to provide or maintain, which also allows them to make tremendous amounts of money in endorsements, they now should be free from any interference from the out-of-touch, fussy old douchebags who own and run the platform.

Yes, this definitely sounds like owners are treating players like property.

Grow....the....fuck....up.

December 15th --- scab players, here we come!

+1. Ego helped get them there, but they need to relax a bit and not be too sensitive about nonsense. When they aren't on the hardwood, they can dress in pink polkadots if they really want to. On the court they are serving as emissaries of the league and sport, so they can show a little conformity without sacrificing personal identity.

tkf wrote:The owner of the chic fila chain restuarants, Truet Cathy,lives a few miles from me here in georgia, but he took what was called the "dwarf house" and built it into a billion dollar empire we know as chic fil a... He is a christian and has a strict dress code for his employees.. the kids are all bright, clean, polite and they adhere to a strict uniform policy.. no baggy pants, chains or hanging shirt. best customer service of any fast food chain I have ever seen.... ask the employees are they hampered by such a strict policy and they will tell you they love working there.. I know.... again, perception is reality... are all of these kids good christian kids? who knows, but they sure do seem that way and that is all that matters, and every day the lines are wrapped around those restaurants....

cater to your customer base!!!!!!!!!!!

But see, in nixluva's world, the players are both the company AND the customer base. It's so incredible. I finally see the light!

+1 on Chic Fil A; also rated the healthiest fast food chain in North America by the Editor of Men's Health. Makes me feel good about myself while I'm gulping down all that deep fried peanut oil goodness. I swear to God they are injecting some sort of low grade crack into their chicken, because I go through withdrawal if I don't hit that place up at least once a week

And he gives everyone Sunday's off! I think Jesus loves Chic Fil A!

But I bet, deep in his capitalistic, dirty Republican-loving heart, old Truet treats his damn people like property, the frickin 1-percenter!