ItalianStallion wrote:I'd take Durant all day long because he's a way more efficient scorer.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:I'd take Durant all day long because he's a way more efficient scorer.

That's the biggest difference by far in their games actually. Durant's career true fg% is .576 and Carmelo's is .545. If someone is going to take as many shots as Carmelo does and you want the team to be more than a 1st or perhaps 2nd round playoff team, they have to be more efficient.

For what it's worth, David Lee's TSP is .5887 and Kevin Garnett's TSP is .5490

(and Amear's is .5994)

He'll be nearly unstoppable using picks and rubs or slashing to the basket. We saw his game pick up but it can be a lot smoother than we saw. I just hope we see it happen. I'd like to see him used as a passer a but more too. Melo and STAT on the PnR should be really good.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league

Even coming from you, that statement took me by surprise!

Perhaps it sounds a bit much but he is dangerous from every spot on the floor. There's no spot where a defender would ever feel comfortable against Melo!!! Durant isn't a real threat in the post. Melo has the midrange game, low post, high post, 3 pt range! He doesn't pass at a high rate but he is in fact a good passer. What exactly is he not good at?

ramtour420 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league

Even coming from you, that statement took me by surprise!

Its actually pretty accurate. His passing is his weakest point, along with every other NBA player who doesn't play a PG position.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league

Even coming from you, that statement took me by surprise!

Perhaps it sounds a bit much but he is dangerous from every spot on the floor. There's no spot where a defender would ever feel comfortable against Melo!!! Durant isn't a real threat in the post. Melo has the midrange game, low post, high post, 3 pt range! He doesn't pass at a high rate but he is in fact a good passer. What exactly is he not good at?

He's pretty good at everything compared to the average player, but some of the shots he takes are the kind you should avoid unless there's not much time left on the shot clock.

Long 2 pointers and other mid range shots are typically a bad idea because they aren't as efficient as drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line, inside baskets, open 3s from the corner etc... Melo piles up extra points taking those shots, but some of them are a bad idea.

He really shouldn't even be shooting a lot of 3s unless he can be consistently better than 35%. You really need to be closer to 40% to make that kind of shot a real weapon.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league

Even coming from you, that statement took me by surprise!

Perhaps it sounds a bit much but he is dangerous from every spot on the floor. There's no spot where a defender would ever feel comfortable against Melo!!! Durant isn't a real threat in the post. Melo has the midrange game, low post, high post, 3 pt range! He doesn't pass at a high rate but he is in fact a good passer. What exactly is he not good at?

He's pretty good at everything compared to the average player, but some of the shots he takes are the kind you should avoid unless there's not much time left on the shot clock.

Long 2 pointers and other mid range shots are typically a bad idea because they aren't as efficient as drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line, inside baskets, open 3s from the corner etc... Melo piles up extra points taking those shots, but some of them are a bad idea.

He really shouldn't even be shooting a lot of 3s unless he can be consistently better than 35%. You really need to be closer to 40% to make that kind of shot a real weapon.

Yeah, it's delusional to say that a 32% 3 pt shooter with a 1:1 assist:turnover ratio is the most complete offensive player in the league.

It also tells us something about the league itself.

nixluva wrote:Being efficient is a different argument from being complete in terms of overall capabilities, which is what I'm talking about. If we're gonna talk most efficient scorer then that's different. Some players simply don't have a deep threat or you don't worry about them taking you off the dribble or posting you up. Melo hasn't perfectly merged all of his skills but that isn't the same as saying he can't pass or can't shoot From 3! He's more than capable in all aspects of his offensive game and at times shows just how good he is in all those aspects. No Melo isn't perfect but he can hurt you in a lot of ways. Melo can still improve which I think he showed a good deal as a Knick. He can still tap into his enormous potential.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:So Carmelo is the most complete player in the NBA if and only if you ignore his career track record.

I never said Melo was the most complete player in the NBA! This is what I said:

nixluva wrote:
I believe that if Melo buys into this system he can become a more efficient player. Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league but he tends to be sloppy and waste possessions with bad shots. MDA's system is all about trying to take the best shot, tho some think it's about jacking up shots, but it's not.

Melo's biggest problem is poor shot selection. Really just not taking each possession as serious as he should. I think he can change that attitude and become more efficient. He doesn't lack the ability to shoot the 3 or make the right pass. He needs to finally start taking his game more seriously and play within the offense. I think he may be ready to do that.

"You think he can change"?

Dude, where do you get this stuff?