Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Yeah...I miss the 30 wins days...

Melo had nothing to do with us getting passed the 30 win days. We were passed them before him. Playoffs and regular season combined, we then went 14-18 with him.

It's not like Melo will have to do this all on his own! What I would add is that STAT wasn't really seen as a leader until he got here. Sometimes players have to get out of comfortable situations to discover who they can be. Melo did in fact step up and give a greater effort here and I have faith that he will continue to be in that mode. Melo showed improvement on D and even being a more efficient player. All the team needs is time to develop chemistry and for Melo to learn how to really work in this system. Don't make the mistake of thinking we saw the best of this team last year. We're looking at a 50+ win, 2nd rd or more playoff team going forward.

Very few players are true leaders like a Magic or Bird right out the gate, but that doesn't mean they can't be winning players. What I tend to focus on is what Melo CAN give us. We have a player in Melo that isn't afraid of the big moment and contrary to the prevailing talk he's led a team and won in College and I think he's matured enough in the pros to be ready to help a team win in the NBA.

We now have one of the best game winning shot makers in the league and he doesn't shrink in crunchtime or against the best players in the league!!! Melo gives us an equalizer against the Kobe, Durant, Lebron, Wade, Dirk or Rose in this league. The rest will be up to the other good players on this team too. CB & STAT of course, but also the young guys TD, Fields, Shawne and even Iman. We'll see how this develops over the next few years.

Michael6835 wrote:Enough with the I miss Moz and Gallo talk. Melo is a much better player than those anyone we had. The team is better with him than without him. We still have money to pursue another free agent next season. People kill me with this non-sense. Oh we had such "talent".... Please. Much easier to find another Moz, Gallo, wilson, Felton, etc...
than it is to find a Melo, Amare or any other top star. We have a group that if all goes well will be able to compete for title the next 4-5 years. That's all you can really ask for as a fan...I am excited to watch this team and can't wait for this BS lockout to end...

thank you...way too much man love going on here. You guys do know there ARE sites for that

If this season is cancelled we gave away a couple of players for no reason. All valid concerns.

Is Melo a new superstar, pretentious or a narcissist

Melo is "Jennifer Aniston or Ashton Kuctcher" Both good looking, big stars who do well at the box office. They produce. But they are not Oscar caliber actors.

Melo produces, but is he a "winner"? In college yes. IN the NBA, not proven.

Regarding the 4 starters we gave up for melo, I think you should get a guy who makes others better.

No, Felton is not Clyde, but the kid was perhaps the best we have had in nearly 20 years. Gallo? God forbid we keep a rising talent. Moz, barley scratched the surface with him. Wilson, just a good solid piece.

BIllups was cap fodder and I hope he can really give us one more year.

What does the sum equal? A guy who starts allstar games because he gets votes but can't make an all pro seclection.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:Enough with the I miss Moz and Gallo talk. Melo is a much better player than those anyone we had. The team is better with him than without him. We still have money to pursue another free agent next season. People kill me with this non-sense. Oh we had such "talent".... Please. Much easier to find another Moz, Gallo, wilson, Felton, etc...
than it is to find a Melo, Amare or any other top star. We have a group that if all goes well will be able to compete for title the next 4-5 years. That's all you can really ask for as a fan...I am excited to watch this team and can't wait for this BS lockout to end...

thank you...way too much man love going on here. You guys do know there ARE sites for that

MS wrote:Always good to debate a guy that has no idea what he is talking about. He is a volume scorer that plays one on one basketball learning an offense has no bearing on whether he gets his points or not. He's not the point guard, let's not act like the Knicks run a complicated offense.

MS wrote:Carmelo single handedly kept us in those playoff games, if you mean Game 2?

Game 1 (5-18) he missed 10/11 shots in the second half including the game winner not to mention took the ball out of Amare's hands the guy that carried the team the entire game. Game 3 he shot 4-16 with 5 turnovers. He played well in game 4, but to say he carried the team when he didn't show up for 2/4 playoff games is a joke.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:good to see Knick fans value everyone BUT their own players. fake ass fans

That's a predictable consequence of going ten years without winning even one playoff game.

it's been the case for years and years. We either vastly overvalue (Gallo) or we devalue or, even worse we get the revisionist history.

Melo torches LeBron and just about everyone else he plays. The guy is a winner, lacking only the Big Ring, having won in college and in international competition.

He shot poor cause of the elbow injury but offensively no one can hold a candle to him. Not Durant and not LBJ cause they lack his full arsenal.

His defense IS better than advertised. Anyone who has watched him during his post seasons in Denver.

What I am reading here is typical.

Not having a decent team in years.....We knew what Walsh was doing......What absolutely had to be done. Now guys act like the rug was pulled out from under them.

Half the people devaluing him were saying We don't want Bron we want Melo

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:good to see Knick fans value everyone BUT their own players. fake ass fans

That's a predictable consequence of going ten years without winning even one playoff game.

it's been the case for years and years. We either vastly overvalue (Gallo) or we devalue or, even worse we get the revisionist history.

Melo torches LeBron and just about everyone else he plays. The guy is a winner, lacking only the Big Ring, having won in college and in international competition.

He shot poor cause of the elbow injury but offensively no one can hold a candle to him. Not Durant and not LBJ cause they lack his full arsenal.

His defense IS better than advertised. Anyone who has watched him during his post seasons in Denver.

What I am reading here is typical.

Not having a decent team in years.....We knew what Walsh was doing......What absolutely had to be done. Now guys act like the rug was pulled out from under them.

Half the people devaluing him were saying We don't want Bron we want Melo

Nalod wrote:The garden will be a buzz. The team should be .500 and make the playoffs.

There is no basis for me to say it works or not. Our guys were all banged up by the time the trade hit and it all came a part against boston.

Nalod wrote:We had a unit of players out there who were doing well and playing as a unit. It was fun to watch. How far it could have gone, or what pieces went in a trade for Deron is all behind us now.

WE have "Melo", we have a 35 year old pt guard in his last contract year, we have "Shump" whose legend grows daily by some and we don't have a Center. Lando is a year better and I hope we don't have to trade him either.

Melo is hyped in my opinion and the rest of the team I can't begin to predict on.

Ain't go no season yet.

STAT is one of the best PF's in the NBA. Who's better in the East?
Melo is one of the bet SF's in the NBA. I'd count only Lebron as better in the East.

Billups is still a top player. His production is still very high. Despite being 35!

Name   	        GP   Min   M    A     Pct    M    A    Pct    M    A   Pct    Off  Def  Tot   Ast    TO   Stl  Blk  PF   PPG     
D Rose CHI 	81  37.4  8.8  19.7  44.5   1.6  4.8  33.3   5.9  6.9  85.8   1.0  3.1  4.1   7.7    3.4  1.1  0.6  1.7  25.0     
R Westbrook OKC 82  34.7  7.5  17.0  44.2   0.4  1.3  33.0   6.5  7.7  84.2   1.5  3.2  4.6   8.2    3.9  1.9  0.4  2.5  21.9     
S Curry GS 	74  33.6  6.8  14.2  48.0   2.0  4.6  44.2   2.9  3.1  93.4   0.7  3.2  3.9   5.8    3.1  1.5  0.3  3.2  18.6     
T Parker SA 	78  32.4  7.1  13.7  51.9   0.3  0.9  35.7   3.0  3.9  76.9   0.4  2.7  3.1   6.6    2.6  1.2  0.0  1.7  17.5     
C Billups NY 	72  32.1  4.7  11.0  42.7   2.0  5.0  40.2   5.3  5.8  91.7   0.4  2.3  2.6   5.4    2.5  1.0  0.2  2.0  16.8     
C Paul NO 	80  36.0  5.4  11.6  46.3   0.9  2.3  38.8   4.2  4.8  87.8   0.5  3.6  4.1   9.8    2.2  2.4  0.1  2.5  15.9     
D Harris UTA 	71  31.7  4.8  11.5  42.2   0.8  2.5  32.2   4.7  5.7  83.3   0.2  2.1  2.4   7.1    2.9  1.0  0.1  2.3  15.2     
S Nash PHO 	75  33.3  5.3  10.8  49.2   1.1  2.7  39.5   3.0  3.3  91.2   0.5  2.9  3.5   11.4   3.5  0.6  0.1  1.2  14.8 

Maybe it was just us, but watching Carmelo Anthony play in some of these summer league games just hasn’t looked right. He’s looked out of shape, a little soft and without any explosion. In a way, the news that he had double surgeries in May on his elbow and knee actually works out well. At least now we know why he looked the way he did. The elbow surgery was relatively minor, while the knee procedure was only an arthroscopic surgery used to clear out some irritation. It’s nothing that should affect him long-term or even next year. Then again, Carmelo also told Newsday’s Alan Hahn that if training camp started on time, he’d come in lighter than he’s ever been as a Knick at 230 pounds so maybe our eyes are deceiving us

http://dimemag.com/2011/09/second-round-picks-are-the-real-losers-of-the-lockout-carmelo-anthony-had-secret-knee-surgery/