jrodmc wrote:

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:This line of logic is hilarious.

So who's going to draft the teams? The agents? The citizens who live near the venues? THE AGENTS?????

And who's going to front your 200 million which you throw around like chump change in this current economy?

I love the game, but these millionaire enterprise college drop outs are not in any way capable of starting and running something as intricate and complex and involved as a professional sporting league in the 21st century.

These egos can barely survive together from season to season on the same TEAMS, let alone trying to pool together capital and resources to start, run and maintain the massive infrastructure required to run anything even approaching the NBA.

You're smoking some really weird crack.

THere are plenty of people around that can easily afford $200 million to get on the ground floor of a potential $4 billion industry. FInding a few billionaires to buy into the idea will not be a problem as long as they are assured that the league will be a going concern. Basically, the players would have to cut all ties to the NBA and essentially stick to moving forward with the new league. If that happens, getting capital will not be a problem.

There are going to be issues regarding the draft and those type of issues, and eventually every team will need to put a general manager in place, but those issues can be resolved. This new league would not have the expense of the WNBA or all the other things that NBA has obligated itself to and there would be no entry fees per se, so the league should have a more solid financial footing. Really, the only thing holding it back would be the TV deals, and like I said, once those deals expire, I think the networks are going to go with Lebron and Kobe over whatever d-league scrub the NBA showcases. In fact, the new league would not even need to wait. Networks such as CBS and ABC (who don't have NBA contracts) would bid on the games right now as long as they were assured that the league is a going concern. You could probably get those networks to give you a 5 year deal for $300 million or so. It really is not all that difficult to start the new league if there is a strong leadership and all the major NBA players buy-in.

You keep saying this [phrase in bold]. Exactly how, in your reality, does this assurance happen? And when you figure that one out, can you send me your CC and bank account numbers, I have $18 million in funds I need to transfer to your account due to a merger/acquisition in Morocco that the national government there needs to offload. I give you assurance that this is a going concern...

And these "plenty of people" who can "easily afford $200 million" are going to do what? Give the players 60% of the revenues? Oh I'm sure your world is just chock full of venture capitalists who are dying to get in to a pricey potentiality like that.
Here we are, back at where we started...

i would like to see all of these people that can "easily afford 200 million".... I just want to see them.. LOL.. and then I will ask them, are they willing to put up that capital and then pay out 60% before any expenses? I don't these these people will be half as generous as the current owners..

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:This line of logic is hilarious.

So who's going to draft the teams? The agents? The citizens who live near the venues? THE AGENTS?????

And who's going to front your 200 million which you throw around like chump change in this current economy?

I love the game, but these millionaire enterprise college drop outs are not in any way capable of starting and running something as intricate and complex and involved as a professional sporting league in the 21st century.

These egos can barely survive together from season to season on the same TEAMS, let alone trying to pool together capital and resources to start, run and maintain the massive infrastructure required to run anything even approaching the NBA.

You're smoking some really weird crack.

THere are plenty of people around that can easily afford $200 million to get on the ground floor of a potential $4 billion industry. FInding a few billionaires to buy into the idea will not be a problem as long as they are assured that the league will be a going concern. Basically, the players would have to cut all ties to the NBA and essentially stick to moving forward with the new league. If that happens, getting capital will not be a problem.

There are going to be issues regarding the draft and those type of issues, and eventually every team will need to put a general manager in place, but those issues can be resolved. This new league would not have the expense of the WNBA or all the other things that NBA has obligated itself to and there would be no entry fees per se, so the league should have a more solid financial footing. Really, the only thing holding it back would be the TV deals, and like I said, once those deals expire, I think the networks are going to go with Lebron and Kobe over whatever d-league scrub the NBA showcases. In fact, the new league would not even need to wait. Networks such as CBS and ABC (who don't have NBA contracts) would bid on the games right now as long as they were assured that the league is a going concern. You could probably get those networks to give you a 5 year deal for $300 million or so. It really is not all that difficult to start the new league if there is a strong leadership and all the major NBA players buy-in.

You keep saying this [phrase in bold]. Exactly how, in your reality, does this assurance happen? And when you figure that one out, can you send me your CC and bank account numbers, I have $18 million in funds I need to transfer to your account due to a merger/acquisition in Morocco that the national government there needs to offload. I give you assurance that this is a going concern...

And these "plenty of people" who can "easily afford $200 million" are going to do what? Give the players 60% of the revenues? Oh I'm sure your world is just chock full of venture capitalists who are dying to get in to a pricey potentiality like that.
Here we are, back at where we started...

All I am saying is that the players must commit to the new league. The problem is if the investors feel that the marque players will run back to the NBA once the NBA realizes they are leaving and ups its offer, then they will not buy in. If the marque players sign on to the new league with a guarantee that they are in it for the long-haul, that is the "going concern" I am talking about. Obviously, no one can guarantee how long a business can last, but the issue is simply getting a commitment from the star players that they are going to forego the NBA and stick with the new league no matter what.

As for venture capitalist, what are you talking about. There are people lining up to buy NBA franchises for $400+ million. You don't think there will be people willing to fund a new league at half that amount when they can probably immediately negotiate TV deals that gurantee them all their money back. As long as you have the superstars on board, forming the league can happen. People will pay to watch Lebron, D-Wade and the other stars play whether they are in the NBA or not.

First or all where are all of these people lining up? I want to actually see that many people with the access to those kinds of funds.. next, you are missing the key point.. If they are lining up, it is to buy an "NBA" Franchise... not some new league..

Heck, I may be willing to throw my entire savings at the chance of opening a starbucks, heck I am sure people are lining up for that... I will be a whole heck of a lot less eager to throw my capital at a " joes java hut".....

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TheGame wrote:

jrodmc wrote:This line of logic is hilarious.

So who's going to draft the teams? The agents? The citizens who live near the venues? THE AGENTS?????

And who's going to front your 200 million which you throw around like chump change in this current economy?

I love the game, but these millionaire enterprise college drop outs are not in any way capable of starting and running something as intricate and complex and involved as a professional sporting league in the 21st century.

These egos can barely survive together from season to season on the same TEAMS, let alone trying to pool together capital and resources to start, run and maintain the massive infrastructure required to run anything even approaching the NBA.

You're smoking some really weird crack.

THere are plenty of people around that can easily afford $200 million to get on the ground floor of a potential $4 billion industry. FInding a few billionaires to buy into the idea will not be a problem as long as they are assured that the league will be a going concern. Basically, the players would have to cut all ties to the NBA and essentially stick to moving forward with the new league. If that happens, getting capital will not be a problem.

There are going to be issues regarding the draft and those type of issues, and eventually every team will need to put a general manager in place, but those issues can be resolved. This new league would not have the expense of the WNBA or all the other things that NBA has obligated itself to and there would be no entry fees per se, so the league should have a more solid financial footing. Really, the only thing holding it back would be the TV deals, and like I said, once those deals expire, I think the networks are going to go with Lebron and Kobe over whatever d-league scrub the NBA showcases. In fact, the new league would not even need to wait. Networks such as CBS and ABC (who don't have NBA contracts) would bid on the games right now as long as they were assured that the league is a going concern. You could probably get those networks to give you a 5 year deal for $300 million or so. It really is not all that difficult to start the new league if there is a strong leadership and all the major NBA players buy-in.

You keep saying this [phrase in bold]. Exactly how, in your reality, does this assurance happen? And when you figure that one out, can you send me your CC and bank account numbers, I have $18 million in funds I need to transfer to your account due to a merger/acquisition in Morocco that the national government there needs to offload. I give you assurance that this is a going concern...

And these "plenty of people" who can "easily afford $200 million" are going to do what? Give the players 60% of the revenues? Oh I'm sure your world is just chock full of venture capitalists who are dying to get in to a pricey potentiality like that.
Here we are, back at where we started...

All I am saying is that the players must commit to the new league. The problem is if the investors feel that the marque players will run back to the NBA once the NBA realizes they are leaving and ups its offer, then they will not buy in. If the marque players sign on to the new league with a guarantee that they are in it for the long-haul, that is the "going concern" I am talking about. Obviously, no one can guarantee how long a business can last, but the issue is simply getting a commitment from the star players that they are going to forego the NBA and stick with the new league no matter what.

As for venture capitalist, what are you talking about. There are people lining up to buy NBA franchises for $400+ million. You don't think there will be people willing to fund a new league at half that amount when they can probably immediately negotiate TV deals that gurantee them all their money back. As long as you have the superstars on board, forming the league can happen. People will pay to watch Lebron, D-Wade and the other stars play whether they are in the NBA or not.

Your point makes no sense. The same people who are lining up to buy NBA franchises are lining up to buy that brand, not some generic players league that doesn't even exist, with a model that's NEVER existed for a long haul commitment as an actual, historical entity in organized team sports.

So exactly how many people are paying to watch Lebron and D-Wade and Kobe now?

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about. The Heat players just organized an event in Miami this past week selling tickets for $50 and $100 and it sold out in TWO HOURS. Yeah, people would pay more for NBA franchise but that is a premium for the brand. It does not take $400 million per team to start a team. YOu could start an entire league for half that. The market is there, it just needs an organizational structure and someone with the balls to make it happen. Bottomline, if all of the top stars in the NBA say, we will sign on with a new league, people will pay to watch.

that was a charity event,in a town that hasn't had a pro game in decades... try doing that there for 41 games.. there is a reason why a pro franchise is not in that city.. but hey, if the NBA players will be happy with attendances of 5k a night, playing in college gyms with Isiah as the ring master.. let them have at it...

jrodmc wrote:A 4000 seat gym. A one time event. And this is enough proof to offset everything else piled up on the other side of the argument.

The liberal imagination. Where amazing happens.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt.. lets say they got 1k for every seat, that is 400k.. ok, they have to pay for the facilities, utilities, the stadium workers, refs, announcers to cover the game, insurance and oh, the biggie.. players salaries...LETS say 60% that is 240k which leaves 160k for all other expenses.. so that is roughly 10k per player with 12 man rosters.. multiply that by 82 games... hey, that is 820k a year per player.. I am sure they would be happy with that..... lets not count in travel, hotels, trainers.. lol

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The public runs most organizations better than for-profit corporations do. Getting rid of the James Dolans makes a lot of sense.

Really?

Our health "care" system is the best available example but I know very few people who wish that our fire or police department or military would be turned over to private for-profit corporations either. I can't imagine how bad the inequalities would be if each town had to hire its own private police and fire departments. Or how much miscommunication would occur if each airport had to hire its own security agency instead of using the TSA.
Regarding this article: I think this scenario would be awesome in the long-run but it would take a long time to work out. There would probably be at least one lost season.

Things like healthcare, and protective services should never be for profit.... the world can do without basketball when you get down to it.. lets keep it apple to apples..

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The public runs most organizations better than for-profit corporations do. Getting rid of the James Dolans makes a lot of sense.

Really?

Our health "care" system is the best available example but I know very few people who wish that our fire or police department or military would be turned over to private for-profit corporations either. I can't imagine how bad the inequalities would be if each town had to hire its own private police and fire departments. Or how much miscommunication would occur if each airport had to hire its own security agency instead of using the TSA.
Regarding this article: I think this scenario would be awesome in the long-run but it would take a long time to work out. There would probably be at least one lost season.

Things like healthcare, and protective services should never be for profit.... the world can do without basketball when you get down to it.. lets keep it apple to apples..

A well-run public basketball league could bring in tons of money for health care and education.

I really hope your cracking a funny or your delusional!

Bonn1997 wrote:The public runs most organizations better than for-profit corporations do. Getting rid of the James Dolans makes a lot of sense.

Like what? "Public" cannot run anything but his own house and most of them only with the help of wife and handiman who slept with the wife...
There is no public owner... unless you are in Cuba or North Korea where you do not wonna be...

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The public runs most organizations better than for-profit corporations do. Getting rid of the James Dolans makes a lot of sense.

Really?

Our health "care" system is the best available example but I know very few people who wish that our fire or police department or military would be turned over to private for-profit corporations either. I can't imagine how bad the inequalities would be if each town had to hire its own private police and fire departments. Or how much miscommunication would occur if each airport had to hire its own security agency instead of using the TSA.
Regarding this article: I think this scenario would be awesome in the long-run but it would take a long time to work out. There would probably be at least one lost season.

Things like healthcare, and protective services should never be for profit.... the world can do without basketball when you get down to it.. lets keep it apple to apples..

A well-run public basketball league could bring in tons of money for health care and education.

I really hope your cracking a funny or your delusional!

You don't need a public partnership - just get some big investor like Warren Buffet to bank roll the kick off of the league. Players have to suck it up for a few years, and you have to find enough facilities that aren't locked down by an agreement with an NBA franchise.

As to finding GMS- that's easy, I imagine you might pick captains and they could pick like on the school yard, and then go with a front office that reports to the league admin, not the players directly - and they would be tasked with being competitive.

But, I think its probably easier and cheaper for the players to decertify and take the owners to court.