Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Basically, I'd rather have TT & Nazr than KVH & Doleac.
NYVector stole my thunder as for the reasons for that. One thing he neglected to add was the defense factor between the two. TT is more balanced, and has skills we need. We know that TT shoots fairly well from the outside as well as having the quickness to slash to the hoop and run in the break or in transition. He has some post-up moves, too. He also is a better defender that KVH, which is another major factor in why he fits in better. Nazr brings solid D and some rebounding inside.

Isiah Thomas said in the press conference that it wasn't an individual thing, and that he viewed the trade in it's entirety. He said that he would not have made the deal if it were KVH for TT trade straight up.

Posted by simrud:

Aight, dramatics aside, here is my take on this trade:

Houston and Van Horn have very similar games. Both rely on the outside shot alot, like to iso on the wing and shoot over the defender 1 on 1. Both a re bad defenders, neither one cuts well, neither one finsihes well in trafic. Basically same player at 2 positions. Replace Van Horn with Thomas and we now have a guy who complements Houston, as he is a slasher, finisher, while still being just as much of a treah fron deep. This gives us balance, better spacing, more options.

Nazr is hands down better then Doleac. He is actually a real C as opposed to a 6 11 PF, which Dolac really is. We would rathe have Kurt executing the pick and roll with Steph over Doleac anyways, so loosing his touch is not that big of a deal. Nazr gives us toughness, boarding, and decent shotblocking. He can finish inside, can run for a C, and gets offensive boards. He gives us a very good option to replae Deke when the other team goes small because Nazr is quick. Plus he is still big and will punish the small teams on the boards, aka second chance pts.

So if this does work out well, and so far Iseah showed he knows a thing or two about basketball lol, the team is very well balanced and poised for a legitimate run in the playoffs.

Next year we are gonna get Sheed and hopefully will work Nazr into the staring role, because he has shown he is capable of 12 9 and 1 as a starter even earlier in his development. A starting five of Nazr, Sheed, TT, H20 and Steph is great. Now we might want to trade Thomas in the offseason for a better C. Maybe Dampier or Rasho. Then Nazr remains a backup and we have an even better C along the other 4 legitimate ballers.

Posted by ko:

I think it was a dumb trade! If you dont greatly improve then why do it? Lets face it. A lot of people hated on kvh because he's white! But I saw someone who was the perfect compliment to steph and h20. Especially come play-offs. No matter what yall say, no 3 was guarding kvh. I know he has flaws, everyone has them except mj in his prime. You don't replace that kind of scoring and rebounding while hoping! Yep you guys are going to get what you want. No skill players who move fast and don't have it. I can't say I was a huge kvh fan but I thought he was the best three for us! It's not about running with no marbury, its about talent. Kvh is a much better play-off player than tt will ever be. I told yall I don't like Isiah. He is no knick and let you not forget that. He would have been better leaving kvh alone. For tt? Yea you will see two more dunks a game. Wooptee dam doo! I don't like it at all. And yall know kvh gave us a better chance at beating nj than tt does. What garbage! Isiah is like a big kid playing with other peoples toys. After they all broke up he gonna go play somewhere else, Laughing the whole time. A disgusting, non-imaginative trade that should raise all of our Eyebrows. FYi mine was raised the first day this cat was hired! I considered kvh the x factor. now there is none, not now anyway.

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

LOL Martin...

I had the same feeling when I read that post. I just chose to let the KVH fans cry their tears away.

You always know who the KVH fans are because they come up with all types of reasons to nitpick about TT and Nazr.

KVH the Knicks' X-Factor? Nah son. I like KVH for what he is now:

The Knicks' X-player! LMAO!

Posted by ko:

martin why be so weak! do think what you posted follows your forum etikit? or you just made that exception for me? Then you delete two of my post responding to yourS THAT WAy you win huhg? you a phony but you already now that lets make this three