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nyvector16
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2/15/2004  4:48 PM
I remember in the offseason alot of people were hoping to trade Spree for Tim Thomas... I guess they got their wish in an odd sorta way.

I like this trade... Not because of Thomas but because of Nazr.
He gives us much needed depth at the 5 which we will desperately need come playoff time.
All in all.. Good trade.
Give it like 5 to 10 games and Nazr will become our starter.

Mutombo is too old for starter minutes..
It will be nice to have a fresh Mutombo in there when we need some defensive presence down low for 2 to 3 miinute stretches.

Although.. I think both Mutumbo and Kurt Thomas will be traded before Thursday. Just a feeling...
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2/15/2004  4:48 PM
i still got yah haters in the bottom cracks of my timbs laughin and stompin and it aint ovaaaaaaaa.
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2/15/2004  4:52 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

I like this trade... Not because of Thomas but because of Nazr.
He gives us much needed depth at the 5 which we will desperately need come playoff time.
All in all.. Good trade.
Give it like 5 to 10 games and Nazr will become our starter.
Me too. Tim Thomas isn't a big deal. It's Nazr. Lenny knows all about Nazr and Deke. We are in good shape. I'm so happy. First A-ROD and now Nazr.
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2/15/2004  4:52 PM
Posted by playa2:

Point well made , Milwaukeee just got so much better with KVH. Tim Thomas is playing layzie like he's on drugs or something.

Right, and KVH is a high energy guy who always brings his "A" game. You make some strange comments, man.
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2/15/2004  4:57 PM
Rich have you seen thomas play this yr. I have him on one of my fantasy teams and I have been monitoring him all yr. Dude is injury prone and inconsistent. That is why I mentioned "plays like he's "druging"
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2/15/2004  5:06 PM
i agree..nazr is the real stregnth in this deal..i think he will solidify the 5 spot which was a huge whole with old dry wood mutumbo, and thomas will run nicely..but van horn for thomas straight up i dont like very much
Posted by nyvector16:

I remember in the offseason alot of people were hoping to trade Spree for Tim Thomas... I guess they got their wish in an odd sorta way.

I like this trade... Not because of Thomas but because of Nazr.
He gives us much needed depth at the 5 which we will desperately need come playoff time.
All in all.. Good trade.
Give it like 5 to 10 games and Nazr will become our starter.

Mutombo is too old for starter minutes..
It will be nice to have a fresh Mutombo in there when we need some defensive presence down low for 2 to 3 miinute stretches.

Although.. I think both Mutumbo and Kurt Thomas will be traded before Thursday. Just a feeling...
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2/15/2004  5:09 PM
This Knicks trade will be interesting. Although Van Horn was playing pretty solid basketball, his track record in the playoffs is less than stellar. We definitely got bigger and more athletic which is what we needed. Let's see what happens before thrusday.
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2/15/2004  5:12 PM
Thomas will be great with the Knicks playing with Marbury as opposed to Cassel. They are gonna run the court together like there's no tommorow! He's also a better defender and blocks more shots than KVH. We now have a great mix of young, veteran, rugged and athletic players! and good shooters. I also really like Nazr. He can play center once Deke is gone.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/15/2004 17:13:55]
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2/15/2004  5:13 PM
i think this can be a good trade for all teams.

Atlanta gets to get nazr off their books this year with doleac and priz....then pray with 2 hands crossed they can enter the sweepstake for a superstar

bucks get van horn who can play the 3-4 unlike thomas, he naturally a 3 but george karl made him play many minutes at the 4 where its just not his game. this opens up more playing time for redd and mason which are possibly the future of the bucks...

new york finally adds some athleticism
tim thomas likes shooting many 3pters and has been pretty good at it this year, hes not known at all for his defense but then again van horns isnt either. only bad thing about this trade is the timing....
van horn finally came out of his shell and has been playing very well, also the knicks have been on a winning streak and a trade like this can effect the chemistry which they seemed to have developed.
this trade can go either way, but it fills "athleticism" that we seeked but only time will tell if it is for the better or worse....

4 white boys gone in one year
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2/15/2004  5:13 PM
What has Tim Thomas done in playoffs ? This guy fades too and makes bone head plays down the stretch. I will wait and see on this trade.
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2/15/2004  5:16 PM
KVH was a solid contributor but he would dissapear at times. Remember the big knock on him is that he's great during the regular season but really wilts during the playoffs. Another knock was chemistry. For some reason other players just dislike him. I'm sure with the winning, turn around, new players everything was still falling into place. But when things had settled would Stephon still try his hardest to like him?

I think Nazzy is a great addition and will bring alot of the low post and height we need from that position. And Tim THomas is the athletic alley oop guy Stephon needs.

Now will Isiah still make one more trade? Maybe two?

I dont know if Shandon is going anywhere, but it would be nice to move Frank Williams and Othella for something solid. Who knows. All I know is this team is infinitely more entertaining then it's been in years.
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2/15/2004  5:19 PM
Posted by playa2:

Rich have you seen thomas play this yr. I have him on one of my fantasy teams and I have been monitoring him all yr. Dude is injury prone and inconsistent. That is why I mentioned "plays like he's "druging"

I'm not saying I love Thomas, just that Van Horn has similar problems with effort and injuries. Van Horn has the better outside shot, while Thomas is better closer to the basket.
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2/15/2004  5:20 PM
IMO Right team.....Wrong Guy!!!!!!

How does Tim help dominate our front court ....KVH was more productive
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2/15/2004  5:21 PM
Also Tim is on the verge of breaking out. His minutes and numbers this year are the highest of his career.
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2/15/2004  5:27 PM
and we save some money!!!!

and we needed a guy who can score closer to the basket.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/15/2004 18:19:55]
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2/15/2004  5:28 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Also Tim is on the verge of breaking out. His minutes and numbers this year are the highest of his career.
Yea I have a feeling he is gonna turn into a beast here. Mohmammed is gonna help us out a lot, he is such an underrated player. In the small minutes he gets he plays very well. However, I'm still have mixed feelings about the trade because I felt like Van Horn was playing very well, but his inconsistency would hurt us come playoff time.
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2/15/2004  5:44 PM
Damn. I think the move to get Tim Thomas is a downgrade.

If you think KVH is an overpaid max player, Thomas is an even greater disappointment. When he first came into the NBA, I thought he was going to be some combination of Pippen and Shawn Kemp. At 26 (soon to be 27), it would be very surprising to me that he'd suddenly be able to produce KVH's career averages. He's not even in KVH's rebounding ballpark (and KVH only averages around 7!).

Like many others here, I'm a little disappointed. KVH was fitting in pretty well here as a Knick. While there's a stigma that Van Horn doesn't come through in the playoffs, he was outstanding last year in the first round of the playoffs, much like he was for many games during his run to the finals with the Nets. Perhaps he didn't come through in some big games... but then again, he was never the #1 option on any of those teams.

Mohammed is a decent long term acquisition for the Knicks. Doleac's contract was over this year, so technically we could resign him at the end of the season if he wants to be back. As a center, he's pretty decent, but he's not a shot blocking threat (does he not jump?).

Hmm... I'm not too pleased with it, but maybe Thomas will surprise us playing closer to home. Hometown pressure might help him perform, right?



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2/15/2004  5:49 PM
when Nazr gets over 25min he averages close to a double-double. He can be much better playing with Marbury and Tim.

Nazi(17.7min) has better numbers then Jason Collins(28.0min) of the Nets.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/15/2004 17:51:52]
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2/15/2004  5:52 PM
I am not really a Tim Thomas fan...
But there is something alot of people seem to be overlooking.
Basketball is a team sport...
Thomas will be able to excel in our system with our pieces alot more than he did with the Buck's system and players.
We have the type of game that he can fit right into with Marbury running the show. Van Horn was solid in many respects... Just his game was not suited for where we're trying to go with this team. Tim Thomas will be alot more productive for us than he was with the Bucks.
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2/15/2004  5:53 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Damn. I think the move to get Tim Thomas is a downgrade.

If you think KVH is an overpaid max player, Thomas is an even greater disappointment. When he first came into the NBA, I thought he was going to be some combination of Pippen and Shawn Kemp. At 26 (soon to be 27), it would be very surprising to me that he'd suddenly be able to produce KVH's career averages. He's not even in KVH's rebounding ballpark (and KVH only averages around 7!).

Like many others here, I'm a little disappointed. KVH was fitting in pretty well here as a Knick. While there's a stigma that Van Horn doesn't come through in the playoffs, he was outstanding last year in the first round of the playoffs, much like he was for many games during his run to the finals with the Nets. Perhaps he didn't come through in some big games... but then again, he was never the #1 option on any of those teams.

Mohammed is a decent long term acquisition for the Knicks. Doleac's contract was over this year, so technically we could resign him at the end of the season if he wants to be back. As a center, he's pretty decent, but he's not a shot blocking threat (does he not jump?).

Hmm... I'm not too pleased with it, but maybe Thomas will surprise us playing closer to home. Hometown pressure might help him perform, right?


I thought Playa, and myself were the only ones raisng a flag on this one...this trade is too soft!
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