Then, Whe we don't reach the finals, lets bring in the guy that won with another team cuz thats what we want!

Nalod wrote:Then, when the offense sputter, lets suggest bring in an offensive coordinater to help it.......

Then, Whe we don't reach the finals, lets bring in the guy that won with another team cuz thats what we want!

A team with Chris Paul and Melo and Stat would not need an offensive coordinator - they just need a real leader.

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:Then, when the offense sputter, lets suggest bring in an offensive coordinater to help it.......

Then, Whe we don't reach the finals, lets bring in the guy that won with another team cuz thats what we want!

A team with Chris Paul and Melo and Stat would not need an offensive coordinator - they just need a real leader.

Oh, I was not considering how much better it gets with CP3! Forgot, gotta have that one player on another team to focus on while the team "rebuilds"!

I generally go with coaching toward a rosters stregths. So IM not on the Assistant defense coach is gonna change the world train.

Give me

Dalembert
Amare
Melo
Cp3
Shump

And I'll sit in the chair and yell "hands up on D gentleman" and let MDA run his thing.

Leadership is on the court.

I don't trust anything that comes out of an NBA players mouth. What they say and what they do are very different. Even Amare, he can talk about defense and what it does is obsolves him from taking the rap on defense and puts it more on MDA. Maybe its true, maybe not. Won't hear MDA say "Amare not doing it on defense". Its the NBA, its a players league. I get it.

Players have to keep the best image up for their branding. The endless tweets and stories all amount to advertising. I always said Lebrons "decision" was all about branding and exposure. for him it backfired.

Melo with knicks gets 29 national televised dates. Thats starpower. Dude is not even thrird team all pro but he has the cred.

I only go by whats on the court and how they play the game. I don't have the assumptive powers of Nixluva so I go by what I see, not what I wish to happen.

So im not exicted about adding an assistant coach. IF we add frank, I think he has proven himself at the head and assistant levels and is an asset. The rest gets sorted out in time.

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:Players have to keep the best image up for their branding. The endless tweets and stories all amount to advertising. I always said Lebrons "decision" was all about branding and exposure. for him it backfired.

Melo with knicks gets 29 national televised dates. Thats starpower. Dude is not even thrird team all pro but he has the cred.

I only go by whats on the court and how they play the game. I don't have the assumptive powers of Nixluva so I go by what I see, not what I wish to happen.

So im not exicted about adding an assistant coach. IF we add frank, I think he has proven himself at the head and assistant levels and is an asset. The rest gets sorted out in time.

This is way off base. My contention is that the team will defend better when you add some defensive talent to the roster and when STAT and MELO decide they really want to win a title. The coaching aspect of it is minor in relation to having great defensive talent. Just like great offensive talent. Why do you think teams want to draft players with a MOTOR rather than guys that need to be motivated to give effort. Mavs don't win without adding defensive players like Chandler and Stephenson. You add D. Howard to this team and a Bruce Bowen in his prime snd all of a sudden the team is much better defensively regardless of what assistant coach you have. Certain guys like Rodman or Reggie Evans or Oakley do what they do and it's not about coaching. We haven't had a dominant rebounder since Lee left and even he wasn't quite the physical force we needed inside. No one had to coach Anthony Carter up. Get me those kinds of players and I guarantee you that MDA would win, provided that STAT and MELO buy in and also give effort, which I think they would do.

This is why I like the pick of Iman and Jorts. Sure they aren't the sexy picks, but both kids play HARD and with an edge. Iman doesn't like to be scored on and Jorts has a chip on his shoulder from being overlooked. Teams need those kinds of players. Now if we can somehow add a real C with size and toughness to start, then we've got something cooking. To sum up, my point is that our problems are a talent issue and not a coaching issue. We lacked perimeter defenders and interior defense and rebounding. If you improve that all of a sudden you improve the teams D. We defended well at times but couldn't secure the rebound and that led to 2nd chance points. Eliminate those with great rebounding and your defense improves without any change in philosophy.

some cryptic stuff.....

Take the words you spelled in Capitals and we get:

"Stat Melo Motor MDA Stat Melo HARD"......

What does it all mean?

Uptown wrote:If MDA is really committed on the defensive end, the offense will have to change some. Hard to get back into defensive position when we are shooting early in the shot clock and jacking up 25+ three's a game which lead to lond bounds going back the other way to an unbalanced floor.

defense is defense. Has nothing really to do with what's going on on the other end.

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:If MDA is really committed on the defensive end, the offense will have to change some. Hard to get back into defensive position when we are shooting early in the shot clock and jacking up 25+ three's a game which lead to lond bounds going back the other way to an unbalanced floor.

The offense had already changed and really it's never been about just jacking up early 3's. Perhaps you missed all the action between STAT and Felton. This team is gonna use the 3 cuz it's part of the way we spread the floor for STAT and it's been proven to be difficult for teams to deal with. We shot a very respectable 36.8% from 3 and overall we gave up a few more rebounds but what also killed us was not securing the defensive rebound. If and when we improve our rebounding on the defensive end that will help a ton and we just drafted a very good rebounding guard in Iman. We had more games where we shot great from 3 and tended to have only a few really bad shooting games where we stunk from 3 and gave up a lot of easy baskets. That is all some of us remember and it makes you think the team shot the ball poorly every game and they didn't.

Melo 42%, S. Williams 40%, Walker 38.6%, Fields 39%, AC 42%, TD 37% and CB 33% (Billups was really the only one who just stunk out of our top 3pt shooters)

Once we can work our new offensive threats into the flo it will work a lot better at being more efficient. CB wasn't really acclimated to what we tried to do and Melo was just doing what he always did, so that held back the full potential of the offense. Almost every play is designed to primarily get to the basket. If you look at the plays in his system you'd see that, but minus a penetrating PG it's hard to create the openings. That's what has been missing all these years. Mike's teams were always very efficient offensively, but here we haven't had capable PG's that could shoot from outside and also drive and kick. It's been either or. Duhon wouldn't push the ball, drive to the whole and only passed to Lee. He was good at that, but that's it. Felton was about the closest we came to a guy doing both, but he wasn't that good at PnR. CB was flat awful at PnR and then he lost his touch from 3 and didn't drive much. TD as we all know just shoots 3's.

You said it yourself, Billups is not a Pick-and-roll guard, in fact he's not the type of point guard that makes the plays/passes that make others around him better. Billups flying down the court and running into those three's when no one is ready does nothing to help us when ball bounds long and the other team is going back the other way on a broken/unbalanced court.

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:If MDA is really committed on the defensive end, the offense will have to change some. Hard to get back into defensive position when we are shooting early in the shot clock and jacking up 25+ three's a game which lead to lond bounds going back the other way to an unbalanced floor.

defense is defense. Has nothing really to do with what's going on on the other end.

It does have something to do with the other end. I gave an example when I responded to Nix; Billups loves to run into the those three's not to mention Melo go a little 3 point happy once he arrived. Those 3's Billups runs into are usually taking place when no one is ready, the ball bounds long and the other team is off to the races on a broken field. Defense maybe defense but its hard to defend when you are outnumbered going the other way. Not that it happens often, but in a tight game, one or two easy baskets by the opposition can los a game for you. If you go back and watch the Celts/Knicks game two when Rondo scored on about 8 broken court layups, they mostly occured on quick/long three's and the Celts snatched the Re and were headed back the other way. Frank nor Thibbs are desinging a D to stop a team running 3 on 2 the other way.

Most great defensive teams slow the pace down a little. I'm not sayiing this team needs to stop taking 3's altogether, my only suggestion for MDA is to take away some of the freedom and run some more sets. I think our guys have a little too much freedom. How are you gonna have a defensive coach instill discipline during half court defensive sets but be loose on the Offensive end?

MDA is the kind of coach that gives his players trust and confidence. I don't think he wants to take away the green light. 1st and foremost this is an offensive team. However, this team already slowed the pace down. With CB and Melo we ain't running anywhere. What we need is a PG that can take the reigns and control the team and I think CB wasn't really himself. He usually does a better job of settling his teams down. that's why it was so disappointing to see him playing so poorly. I think he more than anyone really needs a camp to adjust to what MDA wants him to do. Also MDA will have had time to develop a better plan of attack with Melo in the mix. I don't want us to make the mistake of judging this team off what we saw last year.

Let's also get real for a sec. CB didn't really have a chance to learn the system and develop chemistry with STAT. This isn't something you can just pick up with a few games left in the season and not to mention CB got hurt. So IMO we haven't come close to seeing the best of this team. The Knicks are going to be LETHAL on offense with time to develop chemistry and a full understanding of what we want to do.

I think sometimes we forget just who we have on this team! This isn't some scrub group. The C's had to use everything they had to try and stop us even when we lost guys and we didn't really have great team chemistry. Now just imagine this team with even more players and more time to play with each other. My point being we won't need to be the best defensive team. Just a really solid D would be enough. Everyone just assumes that we need to be juggernauts on D and that's not the case. This team is going to be right there in the mix if we can beef up the rebounding and size inside.

martin wrote:But teams do compliment the shooting with rebounding, something NY does not yet have.

They outrebounded us by 10 we lost by 2!!! The Knicks give teams more 2d chances and that actually makes it appear that the defense is swful but it's not. It may not be great, but if we can simply solve the rebounding problem that would make up for a lot of the problems this team has. This of course means the team has to at least play near it's offensive capacity.

If a team can rebound well it's going to improve the defense, cuz teams will have more one and done possessions. No more easy put backs to help improve the other teams efficiency. Don't know how there going to fix that weakness, but it's got to be done. You put a Perkins type player on this roster and it's an entirely different team on the defensive end. That's without the benefit of some defensive guru. IT's not like there are a ton of proven defensive assistant just waiting around either.