Once the Euro's become more familiar with the players here and see them on their squad - they are more likely to continue following them once they go back to the NBA. In addition, the odds of international league expansion improve.

I actually think it works out well for the league although we suffer through a lockout.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

Well said, Alphie.

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Don't you see it man? He is fighting against the system and he is obviously, a bad teammate. If he gets bruised by the psycho he becomes the worst teammate because he cannot play. He is leaving his team, the Nets hanging in the wind, waiting to dry, what a crappy teammate. More so, using that logic, you can say that he became a worse PG because he chose to jeopardize his health and therefore he is a bad teammate. As everyone knows, PG is the one position where being a teammate is super important, so him being a bad teammate(by some dumb logic) = him being a worse PG. Him going to a diff league makes him a worse PG.

Nalod, as you might have noticed, I disagree with you and I am using this here to prove to you that you are wrong.

ramtour420 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Don't you see it man? He is fighting against the system and he is obviously, a bad teammate. If he gets bruised by the psycho he becomes the worst teammate because he cannot play. He is leaving his team, the Nets hanging in the wind, waiting to dry, what a crappy teammate. More so, using that logic, you can say that he became a worse PG because he chose to jeopardize his health and therefore he is a bad teammate. As everyone knows, PG is the one position where being a teammate is super important, so him being a bad teammate(by some dumb logic) = him being a worse PG. Him going to a diff league makes him a worse PG.

Nalod, as you might have noticed, I disagree with you and I am using this here to prove to you that you are wrong.

I'll do this one more time.

A player gets injured even if an act of stupidity:

1. He travels with the team and attends practice. He goes to games and is there for pregame and post game. He is at the coaches meetings, watching tape, working with Assistant coaches. He is with the team. He is being paid. He is a teammate. He is in the locker room. He might be yelling encouragement, he is there to cry, laugh, and scream with his team mates.

A suspended player:

1. Is not with the team at all. He is not traveling, not at practice, not exposed to the players, the coaches, coaches meetings, not in the locker room with the other players, he is not learning the new players, not learning with the team.

Why does this matter? Well all players sign a contract which they accept the rules. You know when Spree turned down the 7 mil for 3 years I actually respected him because he finally showed he did not want to do it anymore. That was ok and I wish more players would do that. But when Spree would miss camp because of legal problems, or was delayed driving cross country, or what ever reason it sent a message to other players not positive. They were all in shape ready to go to camp, they had settled any legal problems, transportation problems, or what ever and got there. Tell you what, go to work and maybe there are three of you doing the same job, all getting paid the same. Say one guy is always late, misses meetings, takes random days off....and then cuz he is not up to speed he makes you look bad, or is not prepared, and you have to help him all the time. And again, he gets paid the same as you! How would you feel? Then there is the other guy who got hurt but he is remoting into work, able to listen in on conference calls and up on his e-mails. he is not there but is up on all that is going on. Once he returns his is up to speed on things.

So missing games is one thing. Being a part of the team is another.

If a player has a solid reputation I would imagine one instance is ok. If habitual then its a problem. It can divide your locker room and it effects play when a player is not up on the pulse of the team.

If you don't agree with this, thats ok.

Does not make you a bad poster!

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

Man seriously... you are a guy who has decided never to leave his country cause the rest of the world is packed with terrorists and not worth the risk of leaving what you know even for a week right?! Seriously your so called "arguments" are so ridiculous Ill not even get into the basketball topic on this one...

dodger78 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

Man seriously... you are a guy who has decided never to leave his country cause the rest of the world is packed with terrorists and not worth the risk of leaving what you know even for a week right?! Seriously your so called "arguments" are so ridiculous Ill not even get into the basketball topic on this one...

Exactly when the f&*k did I mention terrorism? Work on your so called reading comprehension skills before you critique someone else's argumentation skills.

It's actually good that your not going to get into a basketball topic, since you read things that aren't there. Makes you awfully tough to argue with.

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dodger78 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

Man seriously... you are a guy who has decided never to leave his country cause the rest of the world is packed with terrorists and not worth the risk of leaving what you know even for a week right?! Seriously your so called "arguments" are so ridiculous Ill not even get into the basketball topic on this one...

Exactly when the f&*k did I mention terrorism? Work on your so called reading comprehension skills before you critique someone else's argumentation skills.

It's actually good that your not going to get into a basketball topic, since you read things that aren't there. Makes you awfully tough to argue with.

you don't think you took the first step in a slippery slope by bringing up the unrelated Patriotism angle?

Thanks I see it the same way... its not about reading comprehension skills (thanks for the concern on my education though ;-) its the way you come over when you say what you say and you better understand this very basic simple thing jrodmc...

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dodger78 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

Man seriously... you are a guy who has decided never to leave his country cause the rest of the world is packed with terrorists and not worth the risk of leaving what you know even for a week right?! Seriously your so called "arguments" are so ridiculous Ill not even get into the basketball topic on this one...

Exactly when the f&*k did I mention terrorism? Work on your so called reading comprehension skills before you critique someone else's argumentation skills.

It's actually good that your not going to get into a basketball topic, since you read things that aren't there. Makes you awfully tough to argue with.

you don't think you took the first step in a slippery slope by bringing up the unrelated Patriotism angle?

So if you happen to prefer your country and the NBA (Canada not withstanding) over Turkey, you're automatically skiing down the black diamond with Dick Cheney's bodyguard company?

I guess that's a simple connection, really. Jeez, my mistake.

I'll ask you the same: so if you happen to prefer to play (or travel) outside the country, you're automatically not patriotic?