ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Spreewell of all people (one of my favorite players ever) but then again I really can't argue it..How can we forget the cross country drive and missing the first 4 days of training camp( no call no show)Also breaking your hand on your INFAMOUS BOAT, forcing him to miss the first 2 weeks (knicks go 1-7 without him) of the regular season..

I could understand the Bashing of Dolan in his own building( I'm sure he spoke for a lot of Fans) but to do it on a national televise game, cursing and swearing...that was over the top.

Don't know if this classifieds him as the worse ever, cause he played his ass off on the court, but it's clear as day, he has ISSUES..

I disagree with having Sprewell at the top, or on that list for that matter.

I think Sprewell may openly despised Dolan - can you blame him?

But, I think on the court, Sprewell gave it his all. He played SF for us, always took the tougher defensive assignment and gave up 20-30 pounds every night - and still performed. And I don't remember him crying once about it.

He may have acted badly at times, but I think as a team mate- he was someone that was going to have your back, no matter what - and that to me is being a team mate.

It's not like Dolan is the only person he ever had a problem with

Yeah, like PJ Carlissimo was a fabulous human being.

The dude's game was electric, he possibly had the best quarter of a Finals anyone's ever had in a Knick uniform, and he would play flat out, 48 minutes every f-ing night. He never disappeared, he never gave up. At both ends of the court. And for that he gets traded straight up for Keith Van ShitonmyShoe Horn.

He had a short fuse. With out-and-out idiots. Bad character trait, sure. Bad teammate? I doubt it. There are tons of articles about what a model citizen Spree was after coming to NY after the choking incident.

Most of the crap on this list had nothing to do with being a teammate. The listing appears to be written by some typical journalistic knucklehead who's probably never been in a basketball locker room in his life.

When your late for camp, it does not sit well with players. Wasn't it pretty common for a few years?

When you break your hand and lie about it, its stupid. Can't play with a broken hand. Other playes come into camp on time and in shape. With Spree, he missed camp. Again.

Getting along with management is part of being professional. The other players can do it. Why is Spree more special.

While neither of us were at the choking, and I think it never should have become the public specticle it became one thing is clear: Professional Men don't try to kill their coaches. Its an old issue and one well argued but what was the result regarding his teammates? Spree was suspended so he was not thier for his teammates. It was a huge distraction and tore the team a part. PJ might have been a poor coach at that time but seems his other teammates were ok with not going on a murderous rage.

A good teammate regardless of "Fault" maintains some elements of composure and deals with things in ways that does not blow his team a part. What he did was a pure act of selfishness. That made him a bad teammate. Great players don't make great teammates.

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Wow. Hold on, he is a bad teammate because he missed games? So the best teammate then might be someone who never misses a game? Wow. What if someone is injury prone? What if someone has fiery demeanor about them and they are not the most level headed person= bad teamate? Does this type of logic exclude anything that actually happens in a basketball game for all purposes as far as determining how good of a teammate one is? Is it safe to assume that someone who never misses a game in their career(hypothetically speaking)is the best teammate? Are selfishness and friendship mutually exclusive? And if they are, how do we know is this "never misses a game" person is not selfish? Or, would not missing any games simply take precedence over such minor details as the said player's game on the court? Oh, and the list blows , this journalist is a fail, lol.

When you cause distractions often, your a bad teammate.

When your chronically injured, your not causing a distraction. When your injured, your making the effort to rehab and still part of the team. When your suspended, or "wheres spree" when he is driving cross country your a distraction.

when all other players seem to go by the rules and make it their business to be professoinal which means considerate of those around who are also making a effort and you can't make to camp on time for what ever reason, your a bad teammate.

I liked spree the player. He was intense, he was "the badboy" and I liked his fire.

I was a fan, and have to say he was a bad teammate at the same time.

Check this out: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/749808-the-101-most-despised-athletes-in-sports-history

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Spreewell of all people (one of my favorite players ever) but then again I really can't argue it..How can we forget the cross country drive and missing the first 4 days of training camp( no call no show)Also breaking your hand on your INFAMOUS BOAT, forcing him to miss the first 2 weeks (knicks go 1-7 without him) of the regular season..

I could understand the Bashing of Dolan in his own building( I'm sure he spoke for a lot of Fans) but to do it on a national televise game, cursing and swearing...that was over the top.

Don't know if this classifieds him as the worse ever, cause he played his ass off on the court, but it's clear as day, he has ISSUES..

I disagree with having Sprewell at the top, or on that list for that matter.

I think Sprewell may openly despised Dolan - can you blame him?

But, I think on the court, Sprewell gave it his all. He played SF for us, always took the tougher defensive assignment and gave up 20-30 pounds every night - and still performed. And I don't remember him crying once about it.

He may have acted badly at times, but I think as a team mate- he was someone that was going to have your back, no matter what - and that to me is being a team mate.

It's not like Dolan is the only person he ever had a problem with

Yeah, like PJ Carlissimo was a fabulous human being.

The dude's game was electric, he possibly had the best quarter of a Finals anyone's ever had in a Knick uniform, and he would play flat out, 48 minutes every f-ing night. He never disappeared, he never gave up. At both ends of the court. And for that he gets traded straight up for Keith Van ShitonmyShoe Horn.

He had a short fuse. With out-and-out idiots. Bad character trait, sure. Bad teammate? I doubt it. There are tons of articles about what a model citizen Spree was after coming to NY after the choking incident.

Most of the crap on this list had nothing to do with being a teammate. The listing appears to be written by some typical journalistic knucklehead who's probably never been in a basketball locker room in his life.

Ditto on Spree. Marburg deserves to be top of the list, not for any one action but overall impact he had on the team.

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:To use missed gamesas as the basis for determining if someone is a good teammate is ignorant and, quite frankly, dumb. If thats the case, Greg Oden should be on the top of that list. Oh and don't forgot one of the worst teammates in NBA history, Grant Hill, according to that logic. This is just insulting

Missing practice, missing camp.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying he was a bad teammate because he missed some games? That's ridiculous. Amare missed some games last year does that mean he was a bad teammate? Come on Nalod explain your logic here.

Bippity10 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:To use missed gamesas as the basis for determining if someone is a good teammate is ignorant and, quite frankly, dumb. If thats the case, Greg Oden should be on the top of that list. Oh and don't forgot one of the worst teammates in NBA history, Grant Hill, according to that logic. This is just insulting

Missing practice, missing camp.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying he was a bad teammate because he missed some games? That's ridiculous. Amare missed some games last year does that mean he was a bad teammate? Come on Nalod explain your logic here.

I did.

Wow, again. How many times are you going to say that Spree was a bad teammate simply for missing games.

ramtour420 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Don't you see it man? He is fighting against the system and he is obviously, a bad teammate. If he gets bruised by the psycho he becomes the worst teammate because he cannot play. He is leaving his team, the Nets hanging in the wind, waiting to dry, what a crappy teammate. More so, using that logic, you can say that he became a worse PG because he chose to jeopardize his health and therefore he is a bad teammate. As everyone knows, PG is the one position where being a teammate is super important, so him being a bad teammate(by some dumb logic) = him being a worse PG. Him going to a diff league makes him a worse PG.

Nalod, as you might have noticed, I disagree with you and I am using this here to prove to you that you are wrong.

I'll do this one more time.

A player gets injured even if an act of stupidity:

1. He travels with the team and attends practice. He goes to games and is there for pregame and post game. He is at the coaches meetings, watching tape, working with Assistant coaches. He is with the team. He is being paid. He is a teammate. He is in the locker room. He might be yelling encouragement, he is there to cry, laugh, and scream with his team mates.

A suspended player:

1. Is not with the team at all. He is not traveling, not at practice, not exposed to the players, the coaches, coaches meetings, not in the locker room with the other players, he is not learning the new players, not learning with the team.

Why does this matter? Well all players sign a contract which they accept the rules. You know when Spree turned down the 7 mil for 3 years I actually respected him because he finally showed he did not want to do it anymore. That was ok and I wish more players would do that. But when Spree would miss camp because of legal problems, or was delayed driving cross country, or what ever reason it sent a message to other players not positive. They were all in shape ready to go to camp, they had settled any legal problems, transportation problems, or what ever and got there. Tell you what, go to work and maybe there are three of you doing the same job, all getting paid the same. Say one guy is always late, misses meetings, takes random days off....and then cuz he is not up to speed he makes you look bad, or is not prepared, and you have to help him all the time. And again, he gets paid the same as you! How would you feel? Then there is the other guy who got hurt but he is remoting into work, able to listen in on conference calls and up on his e-mails. he is not there but is up on all that is going on. Once he returns his is up to speed on things.

So missing games is one thing. Being a part of the team is another.

If a player has a solid reputation I would imagine one instance is ok. If habitual then its a problem. It can divide your locker room and it effects play when a player is not up on the pulse of the team.

If you don't agree with this, thats ok.

Does not make you a bad poster!

knicks1248 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:To use missed gamesas as the basis for determining if someone is a good teammate is ignorant and, quite frankly, dumb. If thats the case, Greg Oden should be on the top of that list. Oh and don't forgot one of the worst teammates in NBA history, Grant Hill, according to that logic. This is just insulting

Missing practice, missing camp.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying he was a bad teammate because he missed some games? That's ridiculous. Amare missed some games last year does that mean he was a bad teammate? Come on Nalod explain your logic here.

I did.

Wow, again. How many times are you going to say that Spree was a bad teammate simply for missing games. I don't get why you keep saying this.

So if your suppose to be to work at 9am, you bust your ass to get there and your co worker decides to walk to work ( he lives in queens and works on wall st), gets there 3 hrs late. So becuase he works hard when he gets there, your cool with that.

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Don't you see it man? He is fighting against the system and he is obviously, a bad teammate. If he gets bruised by the psycho he becomes the worst teammate because he cannot play. He is leaving his team, the Nets hanging in the wind, waiting to dry, what a crappy teammate. More so, using that logic, you can say that he became a worse PG because he chose to jeopardize his health and therefore he is a bad teammate. As everyone knows, PG is the one position where being a teammate is super important, so him being a bad teammate(by some dumb logic) = him being a worse PG. Him going to a diff league makes him a worse PG.

Nalod, as you might have noticed, I disagree with you and I am using this here to prove to you that you are wrong.

I'll do this one more time.

A player gets injured even if an act of stupidity:

1. He travels with the team and attends practice. He goes to games and is there for pregame and post game. He is at the coaches meetings, watching tape, working with Assistant coaches. He is with the team. He is being paid. He is a teammate. He is in the locker room. He might be yelling encouragement, he is there to cry, laugh, and scream with his team mates.

A suspended player:

1. Is not with the team at all. He is not traveling, not at practice, not exposed to the players, the coaches, coaches meetings, not in the locker room with the other players, he is not learning the new players, not learning with the team.

Why does this matter? Well all players sign a contract which they accept the rules. You know when Spree turned down the 7 mil for 3 years I actually respected him because he finally showed he did not want to do it anymore. That was ok and I wish more players would do that. But when Spree would miss camp because of legal problems, or was delayed driving cross country, or what ever reason it sent a message to other players not positive. They were all in shape ready to go to camp, they had settled any legal problems, transportation problems, or what ever and got there. Tell you what, go to work and maybe there are three of you doing the same job, all getting paid the same. Say one guy is always late, misses meetings, takes random days off....and then cuz he is not up to speed he makes you look bad, or is not prepared, and you have to help him all the time. And again, he gets paid the same as you! How would you feel? Then there is the other guy who got hurt but he is remoting into work, able to listen in on conference calls and up on his e-mails. he is not there but is up on all that is going on. Once he returns his is up to speed on things.

So missing games is one thing. Being a part of the team is another.

If a player has a solid reputation I would imagine one instance is ok. If habitual then its a problem. It can divide your locker room and it effects play when a player is not up on the pulse of the team.

If you don't agree with this, thats ok.

Does not make you a bad poster!

So what you are saying is that he is a bad teammate simply for missing games. this is an outrage