Paladin55 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

For all the lovers of Love, how many wins have they had since they picked him up? I like him a lot on the offensive end, and he is obviously a great rebounder, but there is a reason why Minnesota once again has a high pick in the draft, and why they will probably take a player who plays the same position as Love does on draft day.

Gasol was getting called out by Phil Jackson in this year's playoffs for poor defense and he didn't respond. Love just broke Moses Malone's double double record. You saw what he did to the Knicks. Love is only 22 Gasol is 30 and flaked out in the playoffs. Sounds like you're putting their losses squarely on Love. Instead of replacing him, better to surround Love with more talent. If Gasol was somehow the missing piece to turn them into serious contenders I'd understand the logic.

So in essence, you're asking, "What's Love got to do with it?"

Nah- I know their losses are not only due to Love, but neither was he good enough help them get out of the lottery.

Who do you look at to blame on Minnesota, though? You can take individuals from that team and claim they had decent seasons, but in the end, the team still sucked, and Love was a major player.

I would not mind Love on the Knicks, but on any team he plays for you have to have the right people surrounding him.

Maybe Minnesota feels Love wants to leave, and is trying to get something back for him by trading him to a team he will probably want to stay with, which has the ability to resign him.

Minnesota also gets a big man in decline who will be united with his countryman, Rubio, and help Ricky become acclimated in the U.S..

Lol Paladin. I blame Khan for having a lifetime subscription to "Guard Fancy". Rambis didn't get the players to buy into his system. Their backcourt wasn't stellar. Players take their share of the blame that includes Love, just not the lionshare.

I don't believe Minny expected Love to put up the numbers he did last season when he was brought to the Wolves (20/15) I know I didn't. I don't believe Love had enough help.

You might be on to something about Rubio which feeds into Khan's passion for guards (to put it nicely) but why go through the trouble to coddle a kid who couldn't sniff the starting lineup in Europe? If he had shown something his rookie season here, I could buy into that. You might be right that Love wants to leave, he didn't get along with Rambis from what I've read. I'd show Rambis the door if its between Love and him. Rambis didn't show anything last season.

The Grizz couldn't get out of the first round while Gasol was the focal point of the offense, I'm not sure if he can be the man at 30. Their wins could spike a bit with Gasol there but like I said they aren't contending any time soon, better to build a more balanced squad with Love IMO. Deal makes great sense for the Lakers though. With Kobe on the floor Love probably won't put up the same numbers but I'm pretty sure he will clean up the boards and get his share of put backs. They might also get Flynn which would help them get younger in the backcourt.

As far as Rubio, The whole PG thing there is pretty weird. They don't shoot, they must cater to the vet players when young, and winning is paramount.

In contrast the PG position here is opposite.

Rickey will have culture problems at first but COULD succeed in time. He will have to get over turnover fear and let loose a bit.

Rambis with the triangle makes sense to keep if they get Pau.

Nalod wrote:Rambis runs the triangle. Pau pretty got at it. They are ditching it in LA.

As far as Rubio, The whole PG thing there is pretty weird. They don't shoot, they must cater to the vet players when young, and winning is paramount.

In contrast the PG position here is opposite.

Rickey will have culture problems at first but COULD succeed in time. He will have to get over turnover fear and let loose a bit.

Rambis with the triangle makes sense to keep if they get Pau.

Rambis wasn't much of a coach in LA, hasn't shown anything here. So they give up a kid who did something no one has seen since the days of the ABA? Trade for a guy who pussed out in the playoffs, turned 30, to possibly make a kid happy who hasn't shown he can even handle being a starter in a lesser league? Has quick fix written all over it.

GustavBahler wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

For all the lovers of Love, how many wins have they had since they picked him up? I like him a lot on the offensive end, and he is obviously a great rebounder, but there is a reason why Minnesota once again has a high pick in the draft, and why they will probably take a player who plays the same position as Love does on draft day.

Gasol was getting called out by Phil Jackson in this year's playoffs for poor defense and he didn't respond. Love just broke Moses Malone's double double record. You saw what he did to the Knicks. Love is only 22 Gasol is 30 and flaked out in the playoffs. Sounds like you're putting their losses squarely on Love. Instead of replacing him, better to surround Love with more talent. If Gasol was somehow the missing piece to turn them into serious contenders I'd understand the logic.

So in essence, you're asking, "What's Love got to do with it?"

Nah- I know their losses are not only due to Love, but neither was he good enough help them get out of the lottery.

Who do you look at to blame on Minnesota, though? You can take individuals from that team and claim they had decent seasons, but in the end, the team still sucked, and Love was a major player.

I would not mind Love on the Knicks, but on any team he plays for you have to have the right people surrounding him.

Maybe Minnesota feels Love wants to leave, and is trying to get something back for him by trading him to a team he will probably want to stay with, which has the ability to resign him.

Minnesota also gets a big man in decline who will be united with his countryman, Rubio, and help Ricky become acclimated in the U.S..

Lol Paladin. I blame Khan for having a lifetime subscription to "Guard Fancy". Rambis didn't get the players to buy into his system. Their backcourt wasn't stellar. Players take their share of the blame that includes Love, just not the lionshare.

I don't believe Minny expected Love to put up the numbers he did last season when he was brought to the Wolves (20/15) I know I didn't. I don't believe Love had enough help.

You might be on to something about Rubio which feeds into Khan's passion for guards (to put it nicely) but why go through the trouble to coddle a kid who couldn't sniff the starting lineup in Europe? If he had shown something his rookie season here, I could buy into that. You might be right that Love wants to leave, he didn't get along with Rambis from what I've read. I'd show Rambis the door if its between Love and him. Rambis didn't show anything last season.

The Grizz couldn't get out of the first round while Gasol was the focal point of the offense, I'm not sure if he can be the man at 30. Their wins could spike a bit with Gasol there but like I said they aren't contending any time soon, better to build a more balanced squad with Love IMO. Deal makes great sense for the Lakers though. With Kobe on the floor Love probably won't put up the same numbers but I'm pretty sure he will clean up the boards and get his share of put backs. They might also get Flynn which would help them get younger in the backcourt.

You get the feeling that Rubio is more than a player to the Minny brass... he also brings his wonderboy past and a certain degree of mystery, although as you say, Rubio did not emerge as the star while in Spain, and you wonder if what he produces on the court will ever match the hype.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rambis runs the triangle. Pau pretty got at it. They are ditching it in LA.

As far as Rubio, The whole PG thing there is pretty weird. They don't shoot, they must cater to the vet players when young, and winning is paramount.

In contrast the PG position here is opposite.

Rickey will have culture problems at first but COULD succeed in time. He will have to get over turnover fear and let loose a bit.

Rambis with the triangle makes sense to keep if they get Pau.

Rambis wasn't much of a coach in LA, hasn't shown anything here. So they give up a kid who did something no one has seen since the days of the ABA? Trade for a guy who pussed out in the playoffs, turned 30, to possibly make a kid happy who hasn't shown he can even handle being a starter in a lesser league? Has quick fix written all over it.

Rambis, like many new coaches don't always got it figured out. Good coaches have to learn some hard lessons.

Ask Rick Carlisle.

Pau won two chips and had a bad time this year.

Is it a quick fix? Yep. If thats what the owner wants, then thats what Khan will do.

Lakes have to go to Kobe and discuss rebuild strategy and if he is on board.

I don't really care about Lakes and Minny, but as a fan its an interesting move.

Rambis is still not set for next year. Regarding Ricky? Give him the best chance to win.

Carlisle was winning wherever he went, posting 50 win seasons (If I remember correctly) it was more about style over substance. Rambis I'm not so sure of. Rambis hasn't really proved anything yet except he knows how to alienate players. He did it in LA with Kobe in short order(which led to Phil Jackson getting hired) and now it looks like the same deal with Love.

You're right it is Khan's move, I could see adding them adding Gasol but for Love, Flynn and change is too much. Gasol got his chips with Kobe and Phil Jackson and lots of talent. He was the missing piece in LA but in Minny Pau will have to be the man which couldn't get the Grizz past the first round when he was there. I'm not saying they shouldn't pursue Gasol at all, just that what they would be giving up isn't a good deal and they sure as S&^& shouldn't be doing this to make Rubio happy. He hasn't earned it on any level.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rambis runs the triangle. Pau pretty got at it. They are ditching it in LA.

As far as Rubio, The whole PG thing there is pretty weird. They don't shoot, they must cater to the vet players when young, and winning is paramount.

In contrast the PG position here is opposite.

Rickey will have culture problems at first but COULD succeed in time. He will have to get over turnover fear and let loose a bit.

Rambis with the triangle makes sense to keep if they get Pau.

Rambis wasn't much of a coach in LA, hasn't shown anything here. So they give up a kid who did something no one has seen since the days of the ABA? Trade for a guy who pussed out in the playoffs, turned 30, to possibly make a kid happy who hasn't shown he can even handle being a starter in a lesser league? Has quick fix written all over it.

Rambis, like many new coaches don't always got it figured out. Good coaches have to learn some hard lessons.

Ask Rick Carlisle.

Pau won two chips and had a bad time this year.

Is it a quick fix? Yep. If thats what the owner wants, then thats what Khan will do.

Lakes have to go to Kobe and discuss rebuild strategy and if he is on board.

I don't really care about Lakes and Minny, but as a fan its an interesting move.

Rambis is still not set for next year. Regarding Ricky? Give him the best chance to win.

Carlisle was winning wherever he went, posting 50 win seasons (If I remember correctly) it was more about style over substance. Rambis I'm not so sure of. Rambis hasn't really proved anything yet except he knows how to alienate players. He did it in LA with Kobe in short order(which led to Phil Jackson getting hired) and now it looks like the same deal with Love.

You're right it is Khan's move, I could see adding them adding Gasol but for Love, Flynn and change is too much. Gasol got his chips with Kobe and Phil Jackson and lots of talent. He was the missing piece in LA but in Minny Pau will have to be the man which couldn't get the Grizz past the first round when he was there. I'm not saying they shouldn't pursue Gasol at all, just that what they would be giving up isn't a good deal and they sure as S&^& shouldn't be doing this to make Rubio happy. He hasn't earned it on any level.

Pau got them Grizz to the playoffs and when right one of the best power forwards in the league. Has an durable image and would not be there to make Rubio happy but bring a spanish national team mate to ease his transition both on and off the court.

Im all about the rebuild but this might have bring the team more status and interest.

Rambis I thought was on Staff with Phil and bought in to install the Triangle. Rambis been around a long time and I do believe many fine coaches before they got good/great had bad first stints until they got it. D'antoni in Denver was a disaster, Joe Torre, and yes, Rick Carlisle was canned twice!

I say Rick as he was seen as a guy inflexible and unyielding in his ways and was seen as not capable of bringing a team to the championship level! My point is good coaches evolve over time and get better. My point with Rambis or any coach is not just can these guys or go on history alone but what is happeing with them and the teams they are on.