Vince could resurrect his career by lowering the star bar and scoring pressure. Vince got long arms and like Melo, can rebound. ON the nets he would run the point and do it well.

Whats in the tank? I don't know.

Knicks fans would embrace his new role off the bench.

If he wants starters minutes, even at vets min, I'd pass.

Off the bench in a role at the 2 or 3, could work.

Knicks could use Shawn Williams for a trade if they get vince.

I don't love Vince BTW, but he could have a role. If he is the 3rd or 4h option that says alot about firepower you put on the floor.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I haven't watched much of VC as of late but it appears he fizzled in Orlando and is being jettisoned out of Phoenix as well.

But since I haven't watched him as of late for those who are in favor: VMart, Anubis, Killa..

What exactly does VC bring to the table that the Knicks need?

I think everyone was in agreement that last season the Knicks lacked in defense, rebounding, depth and needed a legit big man and a backup PG at the very least. A knockdown shooter at the 2 guard to space the floor for Amare/Melo.

I'm not asking the question in a sarcastic tone, I'm asking seriously.

What exactly does VC bring to the table that the Knicks need?

and also at what price would you 3 think it makes sense at?

Vince can definitely help the Knicks in a big way. You guys are down on him don't be yes he has statistically gone down in production but he isn't going to be here to be the man. What VC can give is solid production as the 6th man he is still a savvy player can get his shot off good rebounder and passer. He is a high IQ player. Last season one of the Knicks downfall was lack of production as the SG position especially vs the Celtics would have been nice to make Allen run around guarding VC. VC is still a good long range shooter for his career he is .37 shooter from three point range which is MDA calling card. Veteran play goes a long way in the playoffs it is necessary to have it. Can VC start for the Knicks at SG yes he can which still makes the Knicks strong on the bench with Fields there.

martin wrote:here's my thought: he's old and sucks.

Been ineffective for years.

Last time Vince was good was maybe his Nets days when Kidd made everything easy for him.

So you're in favor of signing him?

BasketballJones wrote:VC is perfect and could be the next in a long line of washed-up, past-their-prime Knick players. Players like:

Glenn Rice
Penny Hardaway
Tracey McGrady

Vmart wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:VC is perfect and could be the next in a long line of washed-up, past-their-prime Knick players. Players like:

Glenn Rice
Penny Hardaway
Tracey McGrady

Only catch is that we aren't asking him to be a superstar here.

We didn't ask anything from T-Mac either and he still managed to underperform. I say pass on VC, or only consider him after we have stocked up on PGs, defensive bigs etc.

crzymdups wrote:hmm. it depends what role they cast him in. if it was as a kind rolando blackman off the bench, i wouldn't be opposed.

he was pretty solid in phoenix - 14ppg 36% from 3pt range.

i wish we had him on the roster for the boston series...

Still wondering what would have happened if Blackman had been on the roster for the playoffs in 94'. Getting Carter feels like the Knicks old habit of going for retreads.

For a shooting guard, his % numbers are really low. He doesn't defend.

Don't the Knicks have Amare, Melo, Billups, AC, Turiaf as vets in the team?

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:here's my thought: he's old and sucks.

Been ineffective for years.

Why would you want a guy on a team like the Knicks who need both an infusion of youth and defensive dudes?

Last time Vince was good was maybe his Nets days when Kidd made everything easy for him.

Your missing the point here, VC is still capable of big nights I'm not asking for VC in his raptors days he isn't that but what he can give the team is a solid player off the bench. If the Mavs taught us anything is that you need the team to be deep. With cap flexibility in mind he would come very cheap to NYK. He is still a threat and teams have to guard against that. As for defense MDA is still here so that isn't an issue the team will tackle next year anyways.

hey, if you want to build a team of old guys who don't play defense, by all means. VC is also not much of a ball sharer.

And why would you complain about MDA not playing defensive guys and at the same time only sign guys who are not defensive players. That's awful strategy.

If Vince was capable of big nights he still would be with Orlando, cause that's exactly what they needed.

Knicks don't need that, they score at will against teams. They need defense and youth for the long term.

this is my favorite part. Guys want the coach gone for a guy who will preach defense. Then the same guys saying we need that want to add old players who havent played a lick of defense for a decade. I guess when VC shoots 40% and take 18 shots a game and doesnt defend THAT will be MDA's fault also right?

Please... Vince has some game left. Let him go to Cha or some place that cant score

Fish, the reason you want a guy like VC is because he is still a decent player. You can't have a youth movement when you have star players to build around. Besides VC is being bought out which allows the Knicks to pick him up on the cheap. What you forget and always do is that the Knicks will have a lot of young players on the team Fields, Douglas, this years draft pick, Jordan and Routins adding a vet to that group would be a good move but your enamored with youth movement you don't even want to see that we have a great chance to have a combination of veteran leadership and a solid youth movement at the same time.

We just dont need Vince. I get your thought... underpaid veteran player who is hungry to win. Only thats not Vince. Never has been. We need stop targeting guys who we HOPE will be what we want, and start targeting guys we KNOW will be what we want.

Vince aint it. Everyone knows we need better defense. Lets get some guys who get after it. We are pretty explosive when it comes to scoring no?