AnubisADL wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you take a look at the last decade of players drafted mid first round. Your going to get players with holes in their game or a complete scrub who wont be in the NBA after a few years. I go with the guys with upside. Most college seniors dont even last in the NBA anyway.

Now lets get Jeremy Tyler.

of recent note going back to the 2004
pick 17...
jrue holiday, roy hibbert, danny granger, josh smith

pick 18...
ty lawson, jevale mcgee, jr smith, david west

pick 19...
jj hickson, jeff teague

not bad and not just a bunch of players with "holes" in their game or complete scrubs.

Jrue Holiday - (Freshman) Unproven

Roy Hibbert - (Senior) Only put up 10 and 7 this year which is no better than Deandre Jordan or Javale McGee considering he is a "skilled big".

Danny Granger - (Senior) Knee issues coming out of college

Josh Smith - (High School) Unproven

Ty Lawson - (Senior) Small with toe issue.

Javale McGee - (Sophmore) Needed to get stronger. Still not putting up great stats for someone with his tools.

JR Smith - (High School) Unproven

David West - (Senior) Had mediocre Rookie and Sophomore then blew up his third year.

JJ Hickson - (Freshmen) Unproven and raw

Jeff Teague - (Sophmore) Suspect PG abilities

Like I said you are going to have to take a player with issues to really maximize a pick that late in the draft.

In fact many mid-late picks are MORE ready because they have played 4 years and may be regarded as having limited upside.

Knicks can get a good player, it might take a couple years to develop that player but thats how the draft works.

GustavBahler wrote:A recent article on why Jimmer might not pan out. I think the comparisons to Nash are a stretch, I don't believe he has the same court vision. He could end up being a hell of a scorer but I'd rather the Knicks get more of a pure PG (like Cole) or a big.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30321/will-jimmers-skills-translate-to-next-level

Until the Chicago combine this year- I thought Jimmer would be more likely to be JJ Redick than Steve Nash- but given how he seemed to be faster and perhaps more athletic, if he falls, I won't mind if we take him as I think MDA could actually work well for his career. And if we don't keep him, I could see his stock raising under

Billups
Fields
Melo
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Vucevic

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nixluva wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you take a look at the last decade of players drafted mid first round. Your going to get players with holes in their game or a complete scrub who wont be in the NBA after a few years. I go with the guys with upside. Most college seniors dont even last in the NBA anyway.

Now lets get Jeremy Tyler.

Yes MOST of the time the middle of the 1st rd stinks, but I actually think this draft has a higher amount of useable role players. Just remember this isn't a typical draft for NY. We're not looking for a star. We're looking for players with NBA skills that can fill a role on an NBA team. There are some guys in this draft that have specific NBA skills that should prove useful to an NBA team. If you're a team that really needs a huge increase in frontline talent, then you may be out of luck, but if you just need solid NBA role players at key spots then this draft may just have something to offer.

We don't need a star C or guard. We need players that can do the basic things. A C that can rebound and defend is all. A PG that can shoot, penetrate and dish are plentiful in this draft. We just need to come out with either Biyombo, Tyler or Vucevic and one of the PG's and this draft is a success IMO.

I think you both have a good point, but i just studied the last 6 drafts, and wow...lot of those guys aren't even in the nba..this draft thing is such a crap shoot..It's real tough to get it right.

Then to think, cleveland takes Irving who played in 11 games last season, then sits out the combine..wow..how do you evaluate this kids, what system do they use to rank them..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8663401