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6/19/2011  1:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/19/2011  6:10 PM
If we do this trade it also means that we don't need to take a PG at #17. We have much more flexibility as one of our needs get fulfilled (PG) and TD played some SG, so now we have room for another SG. Ex - Klay Thompson, Alec Burks or Marshon Brooks - if we consider one of these players as the BPA.
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6/19/2011  3:48 PM
Minny would have to give us a pick along with Flynn.
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6/19/2011  5:53 PM
PhilinLA wrote:Minny would have to give us a pick along with Flynn.

Why? Melo and Amare made Douglas look good and they will make Flynn look good too.

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6/19/2011  7:50 PM
flynn would be a good fit here with his physicality and his ability to create his own shot and for others. i think playa would have a heart attack once he seems him don the orange and blue.
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6/19/2011  8:59 PM
Probasketballdraft has Knicks aggressively seeking to move up in the draft.

@Probballdraft my thought process is I don't think any of the guys they seem to be looking at Singleton, Klay, or Jimmer are falling to them
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6/19/2011  9:49 PM
Ira wrote:Minnesota should give us a pick to take him.

hahaha so true. But he is mad talented. He had success with the pick and roll in college but dude is a turnover machine who makes too many horrible decisions. He has clear talent as a scorer but he cant run a team or have the ball in his hands a lot if you plan to win games.
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6/19/2011  9:51 PM
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martin wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:I think Chicago is rumored to be offering picks 28 and 30 as well as a player for Mayo. If that is accurate I don't see anyway the Knicks have a shot at getting him with what they have to offer.

17th pick > 28th & 30th picks

this may true in any draft, but in this one in particular if the guy or guys you are targeting at 17 aren't on board, 15-30 may be all the same talent, and let's not forget that Knicks need depth.

Let's say the Knicks can pull off a straight up TD for Flynn, and then 17 for 28+30+43 (maybe there is a SG that CHI likes at 17).

Nab someone with high upside like Tyler, Selby or Shumpert at the end of the first.

That's not bad.

i think i'd rather have TD + pick 17 than jonny flyyn and 28+30. flynn is horrible.


And Douglas is A LOT worse.
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6/19/2011  11:14 PM
If Cleveland takes the other guy, we still have shot at Rubio with Irving going to Minny.
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6/20/2011  12:30 AM
Who the F is Probballdraft and how are they a reputable source?
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6/20/2011  1:49 AM
martin wrote:
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@Probballdraft:
As first reported by @Probballdraft Knicks exploring deal for Johnny Flynn. Sounds like Douglas and $ for Flynn.

with so many PGs on the Twolves team I can see this going down, TD would be a scrappy outside shooter for them off the bench. Good work ethic too, which they need with all the young dudes.

For NY, it gives them that PG off the bench and someone that you can include in a CP3 deal if there is an outside chance at that. Also lets them concentrate #17 on a big defender and perhaps buy 1 late 1st or early 2nd and take a flier on a second big like Tyler.

If Johnny locked up, I would love to see Singleton and maybe a C like Tyler (if he got the defensive nack).

Heck, even Singleton and Faried would be 2 nice dudes to draft if that was possible.

I agree with everything except for the Faried part.

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6/20/2011  7:35 AM
tj23 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I think Chicago is rumored to be offering picks 28 and 30 as well as a player for Mayo. If that is accurate I don't see anyway the Knicks have a shot at getting him with what they have to offer.

17th pick > 28th & 30th picks

this may true in any draft, but in this one in particular if the guy or guys you are targeting at 17 aren't on board, 15-30 may be all the same talent, and let's not forget that Knicks need depth.

Let's say the Knicks can pull off a straight up TD for Flynn, and then 17 for 28+30+43 (maybe there is a SG that CHI likes at 17).

Nab someone with high upside like Tyler, Selby or Shumpert at the end of the first.

That's not bad.

i think i'd rather have TD + pick 17 than jonny flyyn and 28+30. flynn is horrible.


Douglas is A LOT worse BETTER.

Corrected. TD is a very good young player. He is not (yet) a great PG, but he is a very good young combo guard. I'm very glad we have him.
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6/20/2011  7:48 AM
I think T-Doug is what he is, an undersized but high intensity and hard-working SG. He will never be a PG and if you keep hoping for that, you are only fooling yourself. He may work on being more under control but so far he's been too inconsistent for the prominent role he had here.

Ideally we get a starting SG so Fields can be the 6th man and a backup PG like Flynn can bring the drives to the basket Doug may have brought.

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6/20/2011  8:40 AM
Knicksfan wrote:I think T-Doug is what he is, an undersized but high intensity and hard-working SG. He will never be a PG and if you keep hoping for that, you are only fooling yourself. He may work on being more under control but so far he's been too inconsistent for the prominent role he had here.

Ideally we get a starting SG so Fields can be the 6th man and a backup PG like Flynn can bring the drives to the basket Doug may have brought.

I'm all for the Flynn for TD trade. Read back thru this thread and the other one specifically for this trade. What I am commenting on is the outright calling TD a terrible player when he is quite good. He's played hard and is an excellent bench player and a very positive influence with his work ethic and intensity.
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6/20/2011  9:46 AM
Knicksfan wrote:I think T-Doug is what he is, an undersized but high intensity and hard-working SG. He will never be a PG and if you keep hoping for that, you are only fooling yourself. He may work on being more under control but so far he's been too inconsistent for the prominent role he had here.

Ideally we get a starting SG so Fields can be the 6th man and a backup PG like Flynn can bring the drives to the basket Doug may have brought.

I don't think Toney will ever be a true PG - but he did show a ton of progress last year. The stretch where he was starting at PG while Billups was out, he looked pretty good and had several 10 assist games.

To say after two years as a pro that "he is what he is"... I think that's ridiculous. He and Flynn have been in the league the same amount of time and you could easily make the argument that Toney has come further than Flynn on many levels of development.

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6/20/2011  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2011  3:21 PM
couple of rumors from this probball guy:

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If @thenyknicks stay at 17 name w/ growing intrigue is Iman Shumpert. Blew away Knicks brass in workouts & is versatile & great defender.

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From the sound of things @thenyknicks have a deal on the table to trade picks w/ @indianapacers depending on whose available.

Probballdraft Probasketballdraft
Knicks source has confirmed that NY intends to buy another pick using cash. Probably early 2nd round.
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The Knicks top target is Klay Thompson but front office knows he won't make it to 17. NY loves Thompson's game & think he'd thrive w/ them.
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6/20/2011  3:27 PM
This could end up being TD's breakout year in terms of him getting the hang of things. They always say that it can take a young guard as much as 2-3 yrs. to figure things out, so maybe he's on the cusp of putting things together. Like most I was disappointed in how TD's season ended, but he's still got a chance to improve.
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6/20/2011  3:29 PM
also, chris sheriden's write-up about the workouts today has some solid logic behind who the knicks might pick:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/5436/fredette-rumor-and-miss-st-guard-joins-big-secret-workout

The Knicks have just concluded a hush-hush workout in which they got their second looks at Marshon Brooks, Josh Selby, Darius Morris, Jeremy Tyler and Nikola Vucevic. Those five were joined at Monday's workout by a much lower-rated player on Mock Draft boards, Mississippi State senior Ravern Johnson, a 6-foot-7 shooting guard who made more than 40 percent of his 3-point attempts in each of his last two seasons.

ESPN colleague Chad Ford just texted me that he sees Johnson being a middle second-round pick at the highest, so this could be an indication that the Knicks are confident they can buy up a pick or two in the middle of the second round as they did a year ago when they gave the Milwaukee Bucks $500,000 for the draft rights to Jerome Jordan.

The Knicks had several possible second-round picks in for workouts last week.

As Ford tweeted yesterday, the Knicks are also bringing in 7-footer Bismack Biyambo in for a private workout after he struggled with offensive drills at the adidas Eurocamp in Italy two weekends ago. That session will be held either Wednesday or Thursday, and if it is the latter, there would be a precedent for the Knicks working out a guy on draft day who they chose later that same day. It happened in 2007 with Wilson Chandler.

I still believe the Knicks would draft Klay Thompson of Washington State if he is available at No. 17, and Ford is reporting in this draft chatter smorgasbord (Insider) that Donnie Walsh and Glen Grunwald are trying to trade up to get Jimmer Fredette, who many teams do not expect to get past the Utah Jazz at No. 12 -- especially if they select Turkish prospect Enes Kanter at No. 3. That means the Knicks would likely have to target the Bobcats' No. 9 pick, Milwaukee's No. 10 pick or Golden State's No. 11 pick in a trade if they wanted to move up for Fredette.

Barring a trade, here are the three players I believe the Knicks are most likely to take at No. 17., if they are still available:

_ Thompson, who now appears to be an unlikely candidate to drop this far. The son of former NBAer Mychal Thompson has been killing it in workouts around the league and may be the highest riser when all is said and done. This is a guy with legit size who could provide some of the 3-point shooting that was lost in the Carmelo Anthony trade, which would then allow the Knicks to target a big man (Tyler?) if they are able to acquire a second-round pick for cash. Teams willing to sell picks do not typically tip their hand until 24-48 hours before the draft.

_ Vucevic, the Southern Cal junior by way of Montenegro, is now rated ahead of Biyambo by many teams who are getting cold feet about risking a top 15 pick on a prospect who hasn't been seen much against NBA-caliber competition, e.g. Jonas Valenciunas and Biyambo (and possibly, to a certain extent, Kanter, who worked out Monday for Cleveland, which drafts fourth). Vucevic is a known commodity, and his workout Monday will be crucial in the Knicks decision-making process. They were looking for him to be a litle fiestier than he was in his initial workout.

_ Brooks, the Providence shooting guard who was the NCAA's second-leading scorer and who would challenge Landry Fields for the starting job right from the outset of camp. Brooks had a terrific workout for the Knicks in his first visit, and Monday's second workout was as important for him as it was for Vucevic. With Brooks, the Knicks want to see if the scoring knack he showed in workout scrimmages was too much of a fluke.

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6/20/2011  3:37 PM
I know this is not about trades but I have a question concerning the draft 2012 if there is a full lockout and no season is played.
How will the draft order in 2012 be determined if there are no games played in 2012?!? Will it be the same order like the original 2011 one with a new lottery being held?!
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6/20/2011  3:51 PM
dodger78 wrote:I know this is not about trades but I have a question concerning the draft 2012 if there is a full lockout and no season is played.
How will the draft order in 2012 be determined if there are no games played in 2012?!? Will it be the same order like the original 2011 one with a new lottery being held?!

i read somewhere that it's a question they haven't addressed yet, but people know it's a possible problem.

i think i'd go insane if the lockout lasted that long.

i'm hoping that worst case, it's a shortened season like 1999.

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6/20/2011  7:53 PM
not sure what to make of this report about the Brooks, Morris, Vucevic, et al workout today:

@TheHoopsReport
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Source at Knicks workout today said it only lasted about 25 minutes, not much basketball played, players didn't interview w/ Knicks at all.
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