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Nalod
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6/13/2011  11:30 AM
The Heat signed players based on their brand, which is a gigantic problem in the NBA.

One the Knicks keep making.

Regarding Lebron, I don't hate him. His immaturity is lack of humility. A man not willing to own up to his faults. Young men think there is plenty of time for the future. Then it creeps up on you.

Lebron is at the peak of his powers now. Will he get better? Develop an outside shot? Work on fundamentals? 8 years in the league is hard on the body. He is a genetic marvel but this is about the age Jordan got it together and learned the game and when to influence his mind, his body, or his fundamental skill on a game.

Anyone still think Phil Jax was not brilliant?

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6/13/2011  11:36 AM
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6/13/2011  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2011  11:55 AM
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JesseDark wrote:I don't agree with all the Lebron hate. We would have accepted hin with open arms had he decided to come here.

Like Nalod said, he's immature. People are treating him like he's a criminal though.

He's receiving heavy Heat(sometimes unjustly) but if you look at what he said he's disrespecting not only fans who dislike him as a player and/or person but he's also disrespecting his own fan base.

No one really leaves or escapes their regular/normal life. We all find moments to take a break from it, whether it be catching a competitive game in sports, going out to dinner with our loved one, doing community service, taking the fam on a vacation etc etc. The regular life is always with us period.

You know what, this applies to those who dislike and like him as a professional athlete. It's not exclusive to the crowd that hates him. Don't undermine what some of us do for living or how we live as if to say our lives aren't comparable to yours Lebron

He pulled out his "I'm worth this what are you worth" or "I'm living like this how are you living" excuse by saying this

Then there's this other factor....

Without all the fans those who cheer and BOOOOOOOOO him....he wouldn't be able to do what he does in the capacity he's doing it in. He wouldn't make the amount of wealth he makes playing the game, he wouldn't have the same quality of endorsements, he may not have had the opportunity to take his talents to south beach on and on and on. All fans make up this league, he's not the only athlete to have been disliked on a National scale, although he's acting like it

No one wants to listen to their pity as they experience failure... when they started out in their own arrogance and behind the scenes integrity lacking workings to go the easy route of competing as if they already achieved success


He needs to be a MAN and accept his own shortcomings as a MAN and lose as a MAN.


Stop disrespecting people who not only support their teams and players to the fullest while opposing the opponents but also those who LOVE THIS GAME possibly even more so WIN or LOSE


Apparently he needs to reminded of this on a daily basis


THIS IS THE NBA AND IT'S FANTASTIC

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6/13/2011  11:59 AM
that comment irked my wife and myself.. really did.. what he was trying to say in a sly way was that at the end of the day he is going to wake up rich and us fans will wake up poor tomorrow... well I have news for lebron, a lot of us are not poor and are happy, very happy with our lives... some of us make real good money and we have nice cars and houses.. and Our mothers don't sleep with our work mates, and we don't get on TV acting like a fool for the whole world to see... this guy is such an unlikable douche and I hope he never wins.. he just doesn't deserve it...
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6/13/2011  12:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2011  12:10 PM
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

I agree it is ridiculous..

first of all, I think it is dislike... people can dislike things they see as arrogant, selfish, and obnoxious.... is it ok to say we root against him? fine, but who roots against things they like? so to root against pretty much means you dislike it... dislike, hate, whatever....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/13/2011  12:21 PM
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

You may not hate him, but some on this board and across the country has gone way overboard. Their was a post on here that compared the Decision to a rape or murder. Thats absurd! What has he really done so wrong to get this much hate from people? There are athletes that have committed adultery, been to jail, caught with guns, have kids that they dont even acknowledge, yet these guys are more revered than Lebron who is really only guilty of being a bit immature.

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6/13/2011  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2011  12:23 PM
LeBron is simply a poor sore loser. Tim Hardaway saying he hates gay people and is homophobic is much, much more repugnant.
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6/13/2011  12:34 PM
And He's going bald too!
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6/13/2011  12:48 PM
rich1223 wrote:And He's going bald too!

Something we have in common!

This has been a boon for Photoshop & Twitter comedians, but I definitely think people have gone overboard with the Heat hate, and quickly resort to unclever, sexist, homophobic language to describe these guys. There's a pile-on mob mentality about it. But it is the flipside to fame.

He definitely has a point. I wonder about some people who spend so much energy with negativity on this: it's just basketball. That said, I do not envy LeBron's position: people are marketing movies by talking about him, and every boneheaded decision he makes is mercilessly dissected by millions.

The NBA is more like the WWE that we probably like to admit, and LeBron has gone from face to heel. If he says he's happy, I'll have to take his word for it since I'm not a psychologist. But I think he'd rather have the masses love him.

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6/13/2011  12:59 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:LeBron is simply a poor sore loser. Tim Hardaway saying he hates gay people and is homophobic is much, much more repugnant.

yeah, and Kobe with the rape thing. and Ray Lewis with the murder thing. and Jason Kidd with wife beating thing... the list goes on and on.

sorry, i know it's not nearly as bad as all those other things, but the guy has a major issue with his ego and with his feeling of entitlement. and to me, it makes him easy to root against. it doesn't have to be worse than any of the aforementioned athletes' transgressions.

for all the hard work that Lebron must put into being a top athlete, he is also a genetic lottery winner. he owes his life to the fact that he was lucky enough to be his size, with his power, with his explosion, with his agility and with his durability. and when you are that lucky, it's a good look to have some humility because you didn't get all those traits because you deserved them over others. you just got them. sure, you made the most of them, but don't fool yourself -- you got lucky too.

it's not like i hate the dude. i just think his persona is ridiculous and he's an easy guy to cheer against. i just wanna see him lose basketball games. i'm not wishing him dead. i know there are people who are more extreme than me on the topic, but i think those folks are rare but vocal. it makes it seem more vicious than it is. i think for most of us, it's just nice to see the obnoxious douche lose.

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6/13/2011  1:23 PM
didn't fully notice this during last game, but check out the defense of LeBron (very Amare/Melo 'esque):

LeBron let down the Heat on defense, too

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/13/lebron-let-down-the-heat-on-defense-too/

The more you review Game 6, the clearer it gets: LeBron James was not good enough.

This was most obvious when the Heat had the ball late on Sunday and LeBron, with a few nice exceptions, turned into an overly cautious ball-handler at best and an inactive spectator at worst. Miami’s offense has been a work in progress all season, with fits and starts and bouts of the stars “taking turns.” But LeBron knows by now that he has to do more than stand in the corner when Dwyane Wade runs a pick-and-roll. He showed that late in Game 5, when he cut backdoor behind a Wade pick-and-roll, received a pass at top speed, rose for a layup and ran into Tyson Chandler body on a series-altering charge.

By the second half of Game 6, it was clear that James had lost something on offense. The Heat, however, are talented enough to overcome his tentative play. But more troublesome is this: The passivity, or borderline paralysis if you prefer, extended too often to the defensive end, where urgent effort on and off the ball is the baseline requirement for being on the court in an elimination game.

Two plays stood out to me in real time. They’re even more jarring upon second viewing, even as that second viewing makes clear they were not outliers, but rather part of a larger pattern of passive defense.

The first occurred with about 6:15 left in the third quarter. LeBron was guarding Jason Kidd, who was doing what he does now: standing at the top of the arc, acting as a safety net, while J.J. Barea and Dirk Nowitzki ran a pick-and-roll on the right side of the floor. LeBron parked himself at the left elbow and watched as the Heat snuffed out that pick-and-roll.

Barea swung the ball to Kidd. LeBron barely moved, even though the shot clock was in single digits. James took only a half-step toward Kidd, his feet barely crossing the top of the circle. Kidd had loads of space, and he went up for a three-pointer. LeBron responded with a close-out that would have been unworthy of his skills even on the second end of a back-to-back in March. He put both hands together but did not bring either of them above shoulder level. He did not leave his feet at all.

Then something weird happened: With the shot already in mid-flight, at the very top of its arc toward the rim, LeBron lunged an extra foot toward Kidd and extended his left hand toward the Dallas player’s head, as if face-guarding him. It looked like James was saving face, putting in a token effort. There is no point face-guarding a shooter when his shot is about to hit the rim.

An even worse blunder happened four minutes later, when the Mavs went back to that play where Jason Terry dribbles around two screens on the left side of the floor. The Heat again shut off that initial action, forcing Terry to swing the ball to Kidd on the right side. Terry then improvised and cut down the middle of the floor, toward the rim. He caught James totally flat-footed and off-guard. Even so, when you watch the play carefully, you see James peek at Terry right as the Mavs’ guard began his cut. James knew at that moment that he was in trouble, but an extra beat passed before he gets himself running. It was too late by then; Terry was gone, on his way for a layup that ended a brief Miami run.

There’s no sugarcoating this: These are terrible defensive plays that blur the line between passive and lazy, and they were indicative of James’ play on that end in the second half. Focus on James, and you see a drifter, someone in that horrible in-between place where he slides off his man as if to help elsewhere but doesn’t actually help at all. He turned to watch, and he reached a few times, but he rarely helped as actively as he does when he is creating havoc everywhere.

Earlier in this series, I called James and Wade the best pair of “help the helper defenders” in the league, meaning they can crash down from the perimeter to help on pick-and-roll plays and still scoot back out to their man without yielding an open three-pointer. That player vanished in Game 6.

When Wade played off Shawn Marion to help elsewhere, James was often late rotating. He got there eventually to defend Marion. He ended up in the right place, but he started his work late, and it hurt the quality of Miami’s overall defense. He was a ghost on the defensive glass, content to sort of jog toward the dotted line, get himself in theoretical rebounding position and then watch his teammates do the work.

On a possession three minutes into the third quarter, James was one of four Heat players in the lane when Marion, the lone Mav there, grabbed a Nowitzki miss and scored on a putback. There was some bad luck here, as Wade, boxing out Marion, mistimed his jump, and the ball bounced to the precise spot where the Dallas forward could get it.

Still, you don’t help your team much by lingering at the edge of the paint, inactive and flat-footed. This happened repeatedly. A minute before that Marion second-chance basket, James stood watching at the dotted line as Chandler played volleyball at the rim. With 4:30 left in the third, James jogged aimlessly toward the basked as Nowitzki lofted a pull-up, never bothering to stop his momentum, plant himself or box anyone out; the rebound bounced over his head to Marion, again the only Maverick in the paint.

Maybe an active LeBron wouldn’t have gotten Miami any of these rebounds. Chandler would still have been too big for everyone in the Heat’s rotation, and the rebounds still would have bounced where they bounced. But you can’t change the outcome when you’re standing there. The moment demanded urgency, and LeBron responded with a defensive performance well below his standards.

The Heat can live, to a degree, with LeBron’s quaking a bit on offense. Even in those games, he still helps you by drawing attention and making smart passes. He looked uncomfortable with the ball again on Sunday, throwing hot-potato passes, appearing reluctant to even attack Barea on a mismatch and standing in the corner when the Heat called a set featuring Wade as the primary ball-handler. We’ve seen all this before, so it wasn’t a huge surprise.

And he still had his moments — a post-up of Marion, a few aggressive off-the-ball cuts against the zone, some nice drives on pick-and-roll plays late in the third quarter. He wasn’t at this best, but he still helped at times.

But on defense? He had to be better. There are a lot of reasons why Dallas won this series, and in a sport so complex, it might seem unfair to focus solely on the so-so play of one man. But that is the kind of scrutiny that comes with being the world’s best player in the team sport in which the best guy can have the largest impact.

LeBron fell short.

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6/13/2011  1:25 PM
Lebron guarding guards fulltime was draining him.

I noticed he had no lift late in games.

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6/13/2011  1:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Lebron guarding guards fulltime was draining him.

I noticed he had no lift late in games.

Much too hard for someone as old as Lebron to have to chase players like Jason Kidd around on the court.

Unless Lebra was hurt, his problem this series was not physical, but mental.

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6/13/2011  1:35 PM
He's an idiot, pretty immature and listens to the wrong people. Is he a bad person? I don't know and don't really care. I don't hate the guy though and never did. If anything, I feel bad for him because he seems to really feel he's the king of the world while everybody is below him. He will learn... hopefully.
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6/13/2011  2:06 PM

We (society) created this monster. We empowered him with entitlements since he became 16 and adored him. We enrinched him with wealth beyond our imagination. He created his "entourage" little boys club and lives to be adored by those around him.

I don't hate him, but I hate what he has become.

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6/13/2011  2:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2011  2:10 PM
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

Bippity10 wrote:People aren't "condemning him". They are rooting against him.

I hate it when you say something sensible.
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6/13/2011  2:12 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

Bippity10 wrote:People aren't "condemning him". They are rooting against him.

I hate it when you say something sensible.

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does that make you feel better?

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6/13/2011  2:13 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

Bippity10 wrote:People aren't "condemning him". They are rooting against him.

I hate it when you say something sensible.

a;fjdsaputeoajdadnvana;s

does that make you feel better?

No, that makes much more sense than 90% of your usual statements.

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BasketballJones wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:This whole hate thing is ridiculous. I dont' hate the man. I just root against him? Why does this mean I hate him? I have other players that I would much rather see win a title. As for rooting against Miami, it's no differetn then people outside of NY, rooting against the Yankees. People don't like the big bad wolf. They root against him. I don't hear the Yankees crying about it.

Bippity10 wrote:People aren't "condemning him". They are rooting against him.

I hate it when you say something sensible.

a;fjdsaputeoajdadnvana;s

does that make you feel better?

No, that makes much more sense than 90% of your usual statements.

Damn you basketballjones

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6/13/2011  2:33 PM
In making that statement, Lebron was basically saying, "Hey, tomorrow I will still be rich, and you will still be a working class loser, so hate on me all you want." Well, those working class losers are the ones that by the tickets and the products that all you to be rich Lebron, so you basically are showing how low class you truly are.

All the dude had to say was, "we worked hard but did not reach our goal. We will work harder over the summer to hopefully get back here, and hopefully next time we will be able to win it all. We look forward to the challenge." He ends it like that, he can move on. Instead, it is like he is starting to relish the role of the bad guy and makes statements intended to insult NBA fans.

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