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Who was/is the better player: Dirk or Ewing
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Bonn1997
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6/13/2011  10:53 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Serious guys why would you campare ewing to dirk...they played in 2 different era's...you think if carlise was coaching the knicks in 94 he would have let starks shoot 2 for 18 and not yank him when he was 1 for 13..especially when you have adequate bench help.

People blame ewing and his suspect support, but never want to blame jvg and riley for some of there suspect rotations. The knicks drafted horrible in the 90's..

Dirk is a special talent who has pg like range for a 7ftr...terry is not better then starks by a long shot..terry (for the most part) plays against bench guys as a 6th man..

Do you think dirk can guard ewing or hakeem in there prime..do you think terry could guard miller or jordan in there prime. Nither of them are 1/5th of the defender starks and ew were..

Derrick harper and doc rivers were on there last leg when they played with Ew, charlie ward, chris childs where defenders not awsome pg's..mark jackson..1st knick stint ...too young couldn't shoot a jumper..2nd stint..too slow too old.

Kidd is a hof...

Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Marcus Camby, Derek Harper, Larry Johnson, Doc Rivers...Are those guys really so inferior to Dirk's supporting cast? Kidd is an HOFer because of his earlier play. He's a nice role player now who happened to land on the right team at the right time.
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6/13/2011  11:05 AM

Big men are defined by their championships more so than any other position.

Is that fair?
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6/13/2011  11:09 AM
I'd rather have Ewing in his prime than Dirk in his to build my team around. Ewing didn't have the individual accomplishments, but he played in the era of MJ and big dudes rarely win league MVP. If it weren't for Charles "effing" Smith, Patrick would have a chip, too.
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6/13/2011  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:

Big men are defined by their championships more so than any other position.

Is that fair?

Don't hate Bill Russell just for setting the bar so high...
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6/13/2011  11:34 AM
Moonangie wrote:I'd rather have Ewing in his prime than Dirk in his to build my team around. Ewing didn't have the individual accomplishments, but he played in the era of MJ and big dudes rarely win league MVP. If it weren't for Charles "effing" Smith, Patrick would have a chip, too.

Look at that game and the foul shooting for the knicks was awful. Never should have come down to Charles Effing Smith missing BTW, we lost the game at the foul line.

The Rockets series, and the Miami fight series.

Knicks had three legit seasons where they should have won. Shit happens.
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6/13/2011  11:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Serious guys why would you campare ewing to dirk...they played in 2 different era's...you think if carlise was coaching the knicks in 94 he would have let starks shoot 2 for 18 and not yank him when he was 1 for 13..especially when you have adequate bench help.

People blame ewing and his suspect support, but never want to blame jvg and riley for some of there suspect rotations. The knicks drafted horrible in the 90's..

Dirk is a special talent who has pg like range for a 7ftr...terry is not better then starks by a long shot..terry (for the most part) plays against bench guys as a 6th man..

Do you think dirk can guard ewing or hakeem in there prime..do you think terry could guard miller or jordan in there prime. Nither of them are 1/5th of the defender starks and ew were..

Derrick harper and doc rivers were on there last leg when they played with Ew, charlie ward, chris childs where defenders not awsome pg's..mark jackson..1st knick stint ...too young couldn't shoot a jumper..2nd stint..too slow too old.

Kidd is a hof...

Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Marcus Camby, Derek Harper, Larry Johnson, Doc Rivers...Are those guys really so inferior to Dirk's supporting cast? Kidd is an HOFer because of his earlier play. He's a nice role player now who happened to land on the right team at the right time.

This is a bad point to argue....Ewing never played with all those guys at the same and when he played with Spree, Houston, Johnson and Camby he was a shell of himself.

I'd argue that Ewing is the better individual player. He brought it on both sides of the court. Dirk is one of the greats and had one of the best post seasons in history. But Ewing carried an otherwise bad team that was well coached for a long time. I love Starks, Oak, Harper, Mase, etc... But that doesnt compare to Terry, Kidd, Tyson Chandler. And everything else just fell into place for Dallas.

Ewing just had bad luck his whole career.
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6/13/2011  12:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am going to have to think about this one for a bit

It's extremely close even though they're such different players.

It's a fantastic question... I'm still stumped.

Had Riley benched Starks for Rolando Blackman, or had Andrew Lang not dimmed Ewing's All Star, maybe he'd have a chip and this discussion would be different. I know you typically go with size in these arguments too, but Dirk is one of the best shots in NBA history and such a unique weapon

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6/13/2011  12:17 PM
Ewing had to contend with Jordan. It is not a fair comparison. Ewing would dominate in todays NBA.
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6/13/2011  12:31 PM
I picked Dirk over Ewing- yes, different eras, etc.

The thing about Dirk is that he is a 7 footer with the handle of a SF who attacks the basket and has unlimited range.

Ewing just had an awful handle, and just scored with his back to the basket and needed the ball fed to him there.

Dirk could get the ball anywhere on the court, and still score.
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6/13/2011  12:34 PM
franco12 wrote:I picked Dirk over Ewing- yes, different eras, etc.

The thing about Dirk is that he is a 7 footer with the handle of a SF who attacks the basket and has unlimited range.

Ewing just had an awful handle, and just scored with his back to the basket and needed the ball fed to him there.

Dirk could get the ball anywhere on the court, and still score.

what about defense?

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6/13/2011  12:39 PM
Ewing had to deal with Jordan in his prime and the Bulls, and the year they got by them (sans Jordan)they faced a very good Houston team.

Dirk has had Kobe and the Lakers, but had the benefit of a weaker Laker team this year.

I think the Ewing Knicks in their prime beat this Dallas team, but that doesn't mean much now.

Ewing is the better player, IMO- many more aspects to his game.


Feel good for Dirk and Dallas, and they did it with some injuries, too. A nice close the the season of "The Decision."

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6/13/2011  12:48 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Dirk has had Kobe and the Lakers, but had the benefit of a weaker Laker team this year.

first year that Dirk and Kobe met in the playoffs (if you can believe that)

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6/13/2011  1:55 PM
There are too many what ifs. Dirk, ultimately, has the championship ring and he's still playing at a high level, and hopefully for them, Butler will come back next season. Which player would you rather have? It all depends on your situation.

If your team needs an intimidator who can also score efficiently, then you go with Ewing. If your team needs shooter and a go to guy in any situation, you go with Dirk. It would be wiser to go with Ewing though b/c big men/ defensive stoppers/ shot blockers who can also score via post up and mid range shooting are impossible to come by. Who is like that in the NBA now? Really? I can't think of anyone to be honest. Ewing would be a one of a kind player in todays game. You can put literally any type of power foward next to him. With Dirk, you HAVE to find a guy like Tyson Chandler to balance everything out even though Dirk may be slightly improved on defense.

I'd go with Ewing for those basketball reasons and that's not taking anything away from Dirk. I used to dislike the guy, but like Kobe, I've warmed up to him and I actually enjoy his game now. The Ewing type player, however, is impossible to find and it's much easier to build around him.

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6/13/2011  4:43 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Dirk has had Kobe and the Lakers, but had the benefit of a weaker Laker team this year.

first year that Dirk and Kobe met in the playoffs (if you can believe that)


Interesting... who would have even thought it possible?
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6/13/2011  7:23 PM
Uhh player comparisons are silly, Dirk V Ewing is almost insane. But I would pick Dirk, I think he is more versatile. I always value skill over power.
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6/13/2011  7:49 PM
What's insane about it? Was the Dirk vs. Amare thread insane too?
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6/13/2011  8:28 PM
loweyecue wrote:Uhh player comparisons are silly, Dirk V Ewing is almost insane. But I would pick Dirk, I think he is more versatile. I always value skill over power.

Ewing hit some unbelivable jump shots, the only thing dirk does that ewing doesn't is shoot 3s...

One on One both in there prime...Ewing every time

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6/13/2011  10:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:What's insane about it? Was the Dirk vs. Amare thread insane too?

Just that comparing players is impossible to do well. There are too many variables and however you slice and dice it, it ends up having a heavy bias of some sort. Comparing Ewing to Dirk is especially insane becasue they played different positions, on very different teams, and the game has changed quite a bit.

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knicks1248 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Uhh player comparisons are silly, Dirk V Ewing is almost insane. But I would pick Dirk, I think he is more versatile. I always value skill over power.

Ewing hit some unbelivable jump shots, the only thing dirk does that ewing doesn't is shoot 3s...

One on One both in there prime...Ewing every time

Hard to argue the holy grail with the believers, or Ewing with Knick fans , but dirk can create his shot his range is incredible and his shooting form is so pure! But Ewing played solid D and Dirk doesn't even come close to that. See this why it's hard to compare players with very different games.

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6/13/2011  10:35 PM
Off the top of my head, Dirk has played with at least 2 all-stars... Steve Nash and Michael Finley. He eased into his career with some excellent teammates...


Bonn1997 wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Ewing.

Dirk is blessed with a nice supporting cast. A more talented and deeper team than any one that Ewing played on.

And yes I think Terry is as good or even better than Starks.

You think so? Unlike Ewing, Dirk has never had an all-star teammate (as far as I can remember at least)

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