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nykshaknbake
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6/5/2011  7:07 PM
nixluva wrote:Has there ever been a more defensive oriented coach than LB? What was he able to accomplish with this team? Who are the coaches that have gotten STAT and Melo to play D every night?

As said before LB was more intersted in politics here than coaching basketball. MDA is a BAD defensive coach. He's had a large enough sample of players that we can say that definitively. He also can't draw up a play in crunch time to save his life.

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6/5/2011  10:24 PM
When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!
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6/5/2011  11:12 PM
nixluva wrote:When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!


None is saying that's all it takes. Why would you think that? But without a coach who at least acknowledges that aspect of the game the team will not play good D Yes we need a credible big. But we ALSO need a new coaching approach to it. What you're doing is pointing to other holes and claiming because they are there that the one right in front of you doesn't exist. What makes you think training camp was all about D? I saw nothing in the season that would even remotely suggest that.

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6/5/2011  11:39 PM
nixluva wrote:When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!

The Knicks came out of the last training camp and went 3-8 including a 6 game losing streak. It seems like it is the same every year with D'Antoni and his training camps. He doesn't have seem to figure things out until about 15 games into the season. Also, I don't know how you solve the rebounding problem when the coach doesn't see enough value in playing his rebounders. S. Williams and Randolph both were good rebounders with their other teams last year but couldn't get minutes with D'Antoni. Moz had a 22 game stint where he played less than 20 minutes total and only got into 4 games. I think the coach has to value the contributions that traditional players with size bring. I don't think he does. D'Antoni did at least acknowledge defense this year. We know now that the mantra isn't just other teams have to adjust to the Knicks. Apparently a folder is put together by a scout detailing opponents tendencies. This is progress because it wasn't done before under him but that doesn't make this team a defensive team or D'Antoni a guy that stresses defense. His show where he explained a zone defense like grade school kids learn on Saturday morning doesn't mean he stresses it either.
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6/6/2011  12:27 AM
Mike D'Antoni will never win with his thinking of Offensive as priorities
over Defense. Especially winning in NY

He points to defense as an "option". He is a fool and he is taking
Jim Dolan (another fool) $$$money. 2 idiots whom are equally stubborn
deserves one another but fans dont deserve this mess. Now especially
since Donnie Walsh was played & out for creating success for Knicks.

Mike D'Antoni wont win in NBA unless he changes his stance on NBA defense
Its as clear and simple as that & unless he gets it he'll run out his
contract unless the know-nothing Jim Dolan gives him another $contract$

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6/6/2011  1:27 AM
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nixluva wrote:When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!

The Knicks came out of the last training camp and went 3-8 including a 6 game losing streak. It seems like it is the same every year with D'Antoni and his training camps. He doesn't have seem to figure things out until about 15 games into the season. Also, I don't know how you solve the rebounding problem when the coach doesn't see enough value in playing his rebounders. S. Williams and Randolph both were good rebounders with their other teams last year but couldn't get minutes with D'Antoni. Moz had a 22 game stint where he played less than 20 minutes total and only got into 4 games. I think the coach has to value the contributions that traditional players with size bring. I don't think he does. D'Antoni did at least acknowledge defense this year. We know now that the mantra isn't just other teams have to adjust to the Knicks. Apparently a folder is put together by a scout detailing opponents tendencies. This is progress because it wasn't done before under him but that doesn't make this team a defensive team or D'Antoni a guy that stresses defense. His show where he explained a zone defense like grade school kids learn on Saturday morning doesn't mean he stresses it either.

You're a real trip. You think we lost those early games this year cuz they weren't playing hard on D? That's the only issue we had to start this year huh? Had nothing to do with throwing a totally revamped roster together. One filled with kids that had little experience. It had nothing to do with a confused Felton/STAT or slumping Gallo. Nothing to do with having 2 rookies in the starting lineup. Nothing to do with the fact we didn't have one real power rebounder/post defender on the team. It was widely accepted that the defense was far ahead of the offense at the start of last season and that the team wasn't losing because of the defense. You really are something special.

This constant BS about MDA not valuing size has got to stop too. How do you explain him starting Moz? How can you even have any credibility when you want to make it seem like MDA held Moz back this year? Don't give me Shelden W. when he played less than half a season with the team. PLEASE! As for AR he caused his own problems. Talk to me about AR when he can put together a complete season where he plays well. He may yet get there, but he wasn't doing much here.

Mike is who he is. From what we saw this team was very capable of winning in the postseason if healthy. We need to fix our rebounding and PG issues. That's more important than some defensive assistant coach. We got outrebounded on a consistent basis and that was one of the biggest issues that led to the team losses. Those defensive rebounds that the team wasn't getting can be the difference between a win or loss because that is the last play of a defensive possession!!! If you don't secure the rebound and allow another point blank shot it was a bad defensive stand verses a good one. I guarantee you that if you brought in Thibs but made not change to the bigs on the roster not much would change, but if you didn't hire a defensive assistant but added D. Howard, all of a sudden the team is a much better defensive team and winning.

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6/6/2011  7:17 AM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!

The Knicks came out of the last training camp and went 3-8 including a 6 game losing streak. It seems like it is the same every year with D'Antoni and his training camps. He doesn't have seem to figure things out until about 15 games into the season. Also, I don't know how you solve the rebounding problem when the coach doesn't see enough value in playing his rebounders. S. Williams and Randolph both were good rebounders with their other teams last year but couldn't get minutes with D'Antoni. Moz had a 22 game stint where he played less than 20 minutes total and only got into 4 games. I think the coach has to value the contributions that traditional players with size bring. I don't think he does. D'Antoni did at least acknowledge defense this year. We know now that the mantra isn't just other teams have to adjust to the Knicks. Apparently a folder is put together by a scout detailing opponents tendencies. This is progress because it wasn't done before under him but that doesn't make this team a defensive team or D'Antoni a guy that stresses defense. His show where he explained a zone defense like grade school kids learn on Saturday morning doesn't mean he stresses it either.

You're a real trip. You think we lost those early games this year cuz they weren't playing hard on D? That's the only issue we had to start this year huh? Had nothing to do with throwing a totally revamped roster together. One filled with kids that had little experience. It had nothing to do with a confused Felton/STAT or slumping Gallo. Nothing to do with having 2 rookies in the starting lineup. Nothing to do with the fact we didn't have one real power rebounder/post defender on the team. It was widely accepted that the defense was far ahead of the offense at the start of last season and that the team wasn't losing because of the defense. You really are something special.

This constant BS about MDA not valuing size has got to stop too. How do you explain him starting Moz? How can you even have any credibility when you want to make it seem like MDA held Moz back this year? Don't give me Shelden W. when he played less than half a season with the team. PLEASE! As for AR he caused his own problems. Talk to me about AR when he can put together a complete season where he plays well. He may yet get there, but he wasn't doing much here.

Mike is who he is. From what we saw this team was very capable of winning in the postseason if healthy. We need to fix our rebounding and PG issues. That's more important than some defensive assistant coach. We got outrebounded on a consistent basis and that was one of the biggest issues that led to the team losses. Those defensive rebounds that the team wasn't getting can be the difference between a win or loss because that is the last play of a defensive possession!!! If you don't secure the rebound and allow another point blank shot it was a bad defensive stand verses a good one. I guarantee you that if you brought in Thibs but made not change to the bigs on the roster not much would change, but if you didn't hire a defensive assistant but added D. Howard, all of a sudden the team is a much better defensive team and winning.


They came out of training camp the year before and went 1-9. It was the same core of guys because none of the new guys brought in got to play. What happened in the past is documented you can't spin it.
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6/6/2011  9:18 AM
I'd look at Mike woodson as an defensive coach, if he does not get a coaching gig id look at him
Lawrence Frank looks like a longshot as Rivers seems to like him
Brian Shaw, Id look at him but that might just fuel rumors of Phil Jackson returning
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6/6/2011  9:26 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
holfresh wrote:
LB was in regime overthrow mode...Not basketball mode...

Have to agree with Holfresh there. LB thought his coaching pedigree would win out over Thomas's mgmt skills, but he underestimated the undying man love between Dolan and Isiah. LB starting guys in their hometown was a joke. No sympathy for him either.

Funny stuff..Acually his entire season with the knicks was a TOP NOTCH reality show...Clearly LB is a poor example

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6/6/2011  12:12 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:When LB 1st got here he WAS trying. People are crazy if they think that all it takes is a defensive coach and you turn any team into a defensive force. Since MDA got here they've been talking about defense and the last camp it was a primary focus. The only thing everyone was concerned about was how they'd get rebounds! We never solved that problem and still haven't. Until we find rebounders this team won't improve defensively. That's the biggest weakness. Inside defense and rebounding, not defensive coaching!

The Knicks came out of the last training camp and went 3-8 including a 6 game losing streak. It seems like it is the same every year with D'Antoni and his training camps. He doesn't have seem to figure things out until about 15 games into the season. Also, I don't know how you solve the rebounding problem when the coach doesn't see enough value in playing his rebounders. S. Williams and Randolph both were good rebounders with their other teams last year but couldn't get minutes with D'Antoni. Moz had a 22 game stint where he played less than 20 minutes total and only got into 4 games. I think the coach has to value the contributions that traditional players with size bring. I don't think he does. D'Antoni did at least acknowledge defense this year. We know now that the mantra isn't just other teams have to adjust to the Knicks. Apparently a folder is put together by a scout detailing opponents tendencies. This is progress because it wasn't done before under him but that doesn't make this team a defensive team or D'Antoni a guy that stresses defense. His show where he explained a zone defense like grade school kids learn on Saturday morning doesn't mean he stresses it either.

You're a real trip. You think we lost those early games this year cuz they weren't playing hard on D? That's the only issue we had to start this year huh? Had nothing to do with throwing a totally revamped roster together. One filled with kids that had little experience. It had nothing to do with a confused Felton/STAT or slumping Gallo. Nothing to do with having 2 rookies in the starting lineup. Nothing to do with the fact we didn't have one real power rebounder/post defender on the team. It was widely accepted that the defense was far ahead of the offense at the start of last season and that the team wasn't losing because of the defense. You really are something special.

This constant BS about MDA not valuing size has got to stop too. How do you explain him starting Moz? How can you even have any credibility when you want to make it seem like MDA held Moz back this year? Don't give me Shelden W. when he played less than half a season with the team. PLEASE! As for AR he caused his own problems. Talk to me about AR when he can put together a complete season where he plays well. He may yet get there, but he wasn't doing much here.

Mike is who he is. From what we saw this team was very capable of winning in the postseason if healthy. We need to fix our rebounding and PG issues. That's more important than some defensive assistant coach. We got outrebounded on a consistent basis and that was one of the biggest issues that led to the team losses. Those defensive rebounds that the team wasn't getting can be the difference between a win or loss because that is the last play of a defensive possession!!! If you don't secure the rebound and allow another point blank shot it was a bad defensive stand verses a good one. I guarantee you that if you brought in Thibs but made not change to the bigs on the roster not much would change, but if you didn't hire a defensive assistant but added D. Howard, all of a sudden the team is a much better defensive team and winning.


They came out of training camp the year before and went 1-9. It was the same core of guys because none of the new guys brought in got to play. What happened in the past is documented you can't spin it.

What is your point in bringing up the poor starts in the previous 2 seasons? I'm not really following what it is you think you have against Mike by pointing this out. The team he started with this season was different than the one the year before. The results were different too. No matter how it started the team was better this year than last. They may have started off rough, but the team did find a groove before the trade deadline drama started.

One of the biggest issues this team had coming into this season was how they were going to get rebounding and it turns out they never solved that problem. This team was near the bottom of the league in rebounding and IMO that more than anything was the reason this team didn't win more games. It wasn't defensive schemes or lack of preparation for the next opponent. We went into every game with a poor rebounding PF and C. It's hard to win when you give up so many 2nd chance points. We were a bigtime shot blocking team, but we still couldn't finish off possessions.

If we can give Amare help inside and not wear him down next year, this team can really improve next year.

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