AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:JO got a 2 year deal cause he showed that he could play 70 games the season before this one.

Oden has played 82 games over 4 years and won't be able to run until September.

Did you just forget about Azubukie? Can you imagine if the Knicks extended him past his original deal for 2 more years?

This could turn out to be Jerome James Part II.

Did you see how much a player can contribute after not playing for a year or 2 in Michael Jordan? Or one who sits all season in Troy Murphy? Generally, they don't perform.

Oden has 2 microfracture surgeries and a fractures patella. Oden is a high risk high reward acquisition. Azuibuike is a guard which the NBA is not in short supply of. Oden is a 7 foot center with actual skill. Big difference. A 3 year 15 million dollar deal is really cheap assuming he plays 50% of the time in 3 seasons.

Oden is 23 yrs old not 33 yrs old man.

$15M over 3? That's awful cap management. Especially considering he would not play year 1 and be a risk in years 2 and 3. And no shot at CP3, Deron, Howard and other guys who could actually play.

AnubisADL wrote:He is going to take some serious cash to come here. I still believe the guy is serviceable and better than 80% of the centers out there.

I throw the full MLE guaranteed at the guy for 3-4 years.

I agree, but this guy has been a walking injury... still as you said, he is better than 80% of the centers out there... he is the type of guy if you can get for a MLE deal and he is healthy... Jackpot!

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:http://www.foxsportsohio.com/05/27/11/Is-Greg-Oden-worth-the-risk/landing_cavaliers.html?blockID=528992&feedID=3725

Portland is non-committal in offering Greg the qualifying offer of 8.8 mil for next season...If Portland doesn't make the offer, should we take a chance offering 4 mil per over two years?...Is he worth the risk, be it small?...Can we talk him into it given the pieces we have?..If somehow he can give you 20-25 mins, 8 boards with some D, hey....Do we offer Portland a Fields, or Douglas?..hmm....

Did you read the article?

Dude can't start running until September.

You would make an offer for a guy who has played 82 games over the past 4 years with 2 microfracture injuries and other assorted injuries?

We only need Oden healthy for the playoffs. The centers in the league suck. That is why A broken down Jermaine Oneal got a 2 year deal worth the MLE and he STAYS injured.

JO got a 2 year deal cause he showed that he could play 70 games the season before this one.

Oden has played 82 games over 4 years and won't be able to run until September.

Did you just forget about Azubukie? Can you imagine if the Knicks extended him past his original deal for 2 more years?

This could turn out to be Jerome James Part II.

Did you see how much a player can contribute after not playing for a year or 2 in Michael Jordan? Or one who sits all season in Troy Murphy? Generally, they don't perform.

good point martin, but oden is still very young and even a less athletic oden is still going to be a force... but as you said, his medical history is scary...

Killa4luv wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:http://www.foxsportsohio.com/05/27/11/Is-Greg-Oden-worth-the-risk/landing_cavaliers.html?blockID=528992&feedID=3725

Portland is non-committal in offering Greg the qualifying offer of 8.8 mil for next season...If Portland doesn't make the offer, should we take a chance offering 4 mil per over two years?...Is he worth the risk, be it small?...Can we talk him into it given the pieces we have?..If somehow he can give you 20-25 mins, 8 boards with some D, hey....Do we offer Portland a Fields, or Douglas?..hmm....

Did you read the article?

Dude can't start running until September.

You would make an offer for a guy who has played 82 games over the past 4 years with 2 microfracture injuries and other assorted injuries?

We only need Oden healthy for the playoffs. The centers in the league suck. That is why A broken down Jermaine Oneal got a 2 year deal worth the MLE and he STAYS injured.

JO got a 2 year deal cause he showed that he could play 70 games the season before this one.

Oden has played 82 games over 4 years and won't be able to run until September.

Did you just forget about Azubukie? Can you imagine if the Knicks extended him past his original deal for 2 more years?

This could turn out to be Jerome James Part II.

Did you see how much a player can contribute after not playing for a year or 2 in Michael Jordan? Or one who sits all season in Troy Murphy? Generally, they don't perform.

U said it all. Troy Murphy looked like a d-leaguer and I know he can play!
Oden will be learning to run again, forget being able to play again. No way u sign him with seeing him run and be healthy. no way. Thats irresponsible.

You all cry over gutting the team for Melo and then you lobby to get Greg Oden in here? The guy is a major BUST. Fact.

We just got rid of Eddy Curry, do we really need another multi millionaire keeping the bench warm?

OasisBU wrote:Man I don't get this board.

You all cry over gutting the team for Melo and then you lobby to get Greg Oden in here? The guy is a major BUST. Fact.

We just got rid of Eddy Curry, do we really need another multi millionaire keeping the bench warm?

He is bust for Portland just like Tyson Chandler was a bust for Chicago. However Chandler helped New Orleans and now Dallas.

Oden is not Eddie Curry. I mean I dont expect him to play 30+ minutes for 82 games but 15-20 minutes for 42 games and the playoffs is more than worth the MLE to this current team. We have Amare and Melo doing the scoring. Oden doing the dirty work would be great for us.

Marcus Camby is making 11 million per often injured and is 37 yrs old. We arent getting a solid young center on the cheap so we have to deal with damaged goods in our price range.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:That type of logic is incredibly short sighted. It's called planning. You don't sign a player who wont contribute for 2 years (or, quite frankly, who may never play again) who would also block you from maximizing your resources.

No one is saying only sign one year deals infinity, I don't know where you would even fathom that type of conclusion, but when a CP3 gift-horse is looking at you in the face, you do hedge and plan.

Oden hasn't had fluke injuries; he has had both knees deteriorate and one knee shattered. And it's not like he just missed a bunch of games 1 year and played solidly for 3 others. Dude has never been able to stay on court for a full year over a 4 year time span. Completely missing 2, 75% of 3rd and 25% of other.

You buy low and sell high. Your logic is to try to acquire him once he has proven he is healthy. Once he proves he healthy we wont have the cap space to offer him.

Chris Paul isnt coming here without a trade. Do you think new Orleans is stupid? They will trade him like Denver traded Melo. I don't understand why people think players will take less to play in NY when it has been proven false time and time again. If we cant offer Chris Paul max money he isn't coming.

Blake Griffin shattered his knee cap too as a rookie. He also suffered a season ending knee injury as a freshmen in college. Thing is he is fine now. Freak injuries happen. The microfracture will limit Oden but we dont need him to carry our team. We just need him to defend rebound and block shots. Anything else is gravy.

my logic is about planning and your lack thereof.

In 2012 Knicks will have max offer ability.

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:That type of logic is incredibly short sighted. It's called planning. You don't sign a player who wont contribute for 2 years (or, quite frankly, who may never play again) who would also block you from maximizing your resources.

No one is saying only sign one year deals infinity, I don't know where you would even fathom that type of conclusion, but when a CP3 gift-horse is looking at you in the face, you do hedge and plan.

Oden hasn't had fluke injuries; he has had both knees deteriorate and one knee shattered. And it's not like he just missed a bunch of games 1 year and played solidly for 3 others. Dude has never been able to stay on court for a full year over a 4 year time span. Completely missing 2, 75% of 3rd and 25% of other.

You buy low and sell high. Your logic is to try to acquire him once he has proven he is healthy. Once he proves he healthy we wont have the cap space to offer him.

Chris Paul isnt coming here without a trade. Do you think new Orleans is stupid? They will trade him like Denver traded Melo. I don't understand why people think players will take less to play in NY when it has been proven false time and time again. If we cant offer Chris Paul max money he isn't coming.

Blake Griffin shattered his knee cap too as a rookie. He also suffered a season ending knee injury as a freshmen in college. Thing is he is fine now. Freak injuries happen. The microfracture will limit Oden but we dont need him to carry our team. We just need him to defend rebound and block shots. Anything else is gravy.

my logic is about planning and your lack thereof.

In 2012 Knicks will have max offer ability.

Papabear Says

So what do we do next season?? Just sit around and pray for 2012 and Maybe CP will come here?? With CP that still don't make us as good as the heat.

what you definitely don't do is sign a player who won't play next year to a 3 year contract.

Knicks will mostly likely only have MLE, LLE, #17 pick, Dleague pickups.

My guess is that the Knicks target big men and a shooter (while trying to keep Anthony Carter and Derrick Brown, dropping JJ): Aaron Gray, Reggie Evans, Jason Collins, Anthony Parker, Jeff Foster, Kapono.