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Marc Gasol Not A New York Kind Of Center
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5/24/2011  11:45 PM
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crzymdups wrote:What cap money would they use to have interest in Gasol with?

This is why I advocated dumping Billups and using that cap money to chase Gasol.

Ah well.

2 problems: 1) Gasol a restricted free agent, so Memphis can match whatever. 2) You buy out Billups and Knicks have something like < $6M in cap space, no starting PG, no shot at Gasol, and no MLE (if it exists).

Yeah thats 4 problems right there. I think what we did will be fine. But we do need a center and should try and get the best one we can afford. No more minimum salary centers to fill in. These playoffs show you can compete if you have the star power and the quality and depth of big men. Contrary to the Heat winning again, we have enough star power to compete if we have the right supporting cast. It starts with an above average center.

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5/24/2011  11:48 PM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:What cap money would they use to have interest in Gasol with?

This is why I advocated dumping Billups and using that cap money to chase Gasol.

Ah well.

2 problems: 1) Gasol a restricted free agent, so Memphis can match whatever. 2) You buy out Billups and Knicks have something like < $6M in cap space, no starting PG, no shot at Gasol, and no MLE (if it exists).

details details details!

nevermind that those details are almost all wrong. but sure, details are important. i feel you.

feel free to detail the details you think are wrong.

i did in the post above. but to recap: the "<$6M " cap number is off, the memphis owner has said they would only sign gasol if he wanted to come back and billups is hardly a solid bet to stay healthy.

look, it's obviously moot because they picked up his option in large part because of the uncertainty the potential lockout brings - but i think it's not necessarily the best decision. i understand it, but you can't act like bringing back billups for $14M is a great move. i'd honestly rather have $9-11M in cap room. but with the lockout i understand keeping billups - though it seems like it mainly keeps them from bringing in real help for another year. and i'm not in the group who thinks we are getting CP3 or deron.

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5/24/2011  11:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:What cap money would they use to have interest in Gasol with?

This is why I advocated dumping Billups and using that cap money to chase Gasol.

Ah well.

2 problems: 1) Gasol a restricted free agent, so Memphis can match whatever. 2) You buy out Billups and Knicks have something like < $6M in cap space, no starting PG, no shot at Gasol, and no MLE (if it exists).

details details details!

nevermind that those details are almost all wrong. but sure, details are important. i feel you.

feel free to detail the details you think are wrong.

i did in the post above. but to recap: the "<$6M " cap number is off, the memphis owner has said they would only sign gasol if he wanted to come back and billups is hardly a solid bet to stay healthy.

look, it's obviously moot because they picked up his option in large part because of the uncertainty the potential lockout brings - but i think it's not necessarily the best decision. i understand it, but you can't act like bringing back billups for $14M is a great move. i'd honestly rather have $9-11M in cap room. but with the lockout i understand keeping billups - though it seems like it mainly keeps them from bringing in real help for another year. and i'm not in the group who thinks we are getting CP3 or deron.

you are completely and utterly wrong on the $9-11M cap space. Do the math: Billups buyout counts about $4M. Turiaf gonna pick up his option cause he aint getting better deal. #17 pick is about $2M. Empty spots got around $1M holds.

Even with at cap near $62, best Knicks would have is around $6M.

And then you still would need to find a starting PG.

Bringing back Billups may not be a great move, but it's a move of necessity, and there are no better options.

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5/25/2011  12:00 AM
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How would we know what kind of center Mark will make with us. We haven't had a real center in over 10 years.

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5/25/2011  12:11 AM
the Knicks would have only had about 8 million in cap room according to the New York times, which may not have been enough to chase a starting PG and a starting Center like Gasol and a backup. Keeping him was the best and only real practical move.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/sports/basketball/28knicks.html

Don't know if that's the best source, but I wanted to put the accurate number out there.

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5/25/2011  12:12 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:What cap money would they use to have interest in Gasol with?

This is why I advocated dumping Billups and using that cap money to chase Gasol.

Ah well.

2 problems: 1) Gasol a restricted free agent, so Memphis can match whatever. 2) You buy out Billups and Knicks have something like < $6M in cap space, no starting PG, no shot at Gasol, and no MLE (if it exists).

details details details!

nevermind that those details are almost all wrong. but sure, details are important. i feel you.

feel free to detail the details you think are wrong.

i did in the post above. but to recap: the "<$6M " cap number is off, the memphis owner has said they would only sign gasol if he wanted to come back and billups is hardly a solid bet to stay healthy.

look, it's obviously moot because they picked up his option in large part because of the uncertainty the potential lockout brings - but i think it's not necessarily the best decision. i understand it, but you can't act like bringing back billups for $14M is a great move. i'd honestly rather have $9-11M in cap room. but with the lockout i understand keeping billups - though it seems like it mainly keeps them from bringing in real help for another year. and i'm not in the group who thinks we are getting CP3 or deron.

you are completely and utterly wrong on the $9-11M cap space. Do the math: Billups buyout counts about $4M. Turiaf gonna pick up his option cause he aint getting better deal. #17 pick is about $2M. Empty spots got around $1M holds.

Even with at cap near $62, best Knicks would have is around $6M.

And then you still would need to find a starting PG.

Bringing back Billups may not be a great move, but it's a move of necessity, and there are no better options.

I think Billups is going to be just fine as long as we pick up a quality backup. He is not the problem with this roster, and losing him creates a problem just as big to solve another problem. We need a center, but not at the expense of our 3rd best player. There are better scenarios out there and some solid FA centers to help, like Dalembert.

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5/25/2011  10:26 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:What cap money would they use to have interest in Gasol with?

This is why I advocated dumping Billups and using that cap money to chase Gasol.

Ah well.

2 problems: 1) Gasol a restricted free agent, so Memphis can match whatever. 2) You buy out Billups and Knicks have something like < $6M in cap space, no starting PG, no shot at Gasol, and no MLE (if it exists).

details details details!

nevermind that those details are almost all wrong. but sure, details are important. i feel you.

feel free to detail the details you think are wrong.

i did in the post above. but to recap: the "<$6M " cap number is off, the memphis owner has said they would only sign gasol if he wanted to come back and billups is hardly a solid bet to stay healthy.

look, it's obviously moot because they picked up his option in large part because of the uncertainty the potential lockout brings - but i think it's not necessarily the best decision. i understand it, but you can't act like bringing back billups for $14M is a great move. i'd honestly rather have $9-11M in cap room. but with the lockout i understand keeping billups - though it seems like it mainly keeps them from bringing in real help for another year. and i'm not in the group who thinks we are getting CP3 or deron.

you are completely and utterly wrong on the $9-11M cap space. Do the math: Billups buyout counts about $4M. Turiaf gonna pick up his option cause he aint getting better deal. #17 pick is about $2M. Empty spots got around $1M holds.

Even with at cap near $62, best Knicks would have is around $6M.

And then you still would need to find a starting PG.

Bringing back Billups may not be a great move, but it's a move of necessity, and there are no better options.

I thought I had seen the math and it was $9M - I'll admit that could be wrong.

I agree they had to sign Billups - it is a move of necessity - primarily because they only had 5 days to make the decision. There simply was no other choice. I just think that they would have been better served by the cap room in a perfect world. But obviously with the uncertainty of the lockout and with Walsh's contract, the world is far from perfect.

I do think they need to draft or make a move for a penetration PG who can play 20 minutes or more per night behind Billups or next to Billups. This offense NEEDS a PG who gets to the paint and Billups has never been that guy - it's just not his game. Maybe they explore a move for Sessions or hopefully they can find a kid in the draft who can do that.

Look at Dallas with old Kidd and young Barrea - could be a decent model for the Knicks to follow. Of course, Dallas got Tyson Chandler, too.

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