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5/21/2011  7:43 AM
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franco12 wrote:I do get the comparison to Balkman. I'm was surprised when MDA played him- was it one game-but less so that he never went back.

Balkman might have some mental issues that prevent him from maximizing his impact.

Faried looks hungry with an unlimited motor with a penchant for rebounding, and rebounding, regardless the position, is probably the biggest need we have.

He may be thin and undersized, but so were Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman- yet they have rings and personal awards.

I trust Walsh- but I hope he doesn't pass on Faried if he's there and Walsh believes he has impact talent, just to please D'Antoni to pick up the next Anthony Roberson.

there is no doubt that rebounding is a weakness of the Knicks but I am wondering if that is more of a symptom of lack of a pure rebounder or lack of a proper starting C. Having a front line that consists of Amare, Chandler, Gallo is a make-shift front line combo (that was the majority of the starts, even Turiaf is PF height or backup C at best).

And as much as rebounding is a weakness of the Knicks, so is interior defense and intimidation - things that Faried does not solve.

And as much as Rodman and Ben Wallace were undersized, they were not thin. And both had big men next to them that complimented their games, namely Sheed and Luc Longley (Rodmon primarily played PF, not C). Faried does not compliment Amare in any which way.

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5/21/2011  7:58 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:Faried's measurements
Faried: 6’6 without shoes…6’7.5 with/7’0 wingspan 225

Dude is short for a PF even with shoes.

He has a great wing span, huge hands, and a 9'0 standing reach. He also holds the NCAA record for rebounds. Frischilla said that if he was taller he would be a consensus number one pick. He isn't a D'Antoni system player but playoff teams that win dominate the boards. He would be a nice addition.

Good points with LJ and Mase. The thing that Faried doesn't have is offense away from the basket. I mean ZERO. Now, we may not need that with all the offense we have. The guy will be our cleanup man. I'm not sure I pass up a good point guard who falls though. Ok, I'm mixed, I really like Faried as a rebounder and somewhat as a defender but we are really lacking in a number of areas.

Again, I'm really happy we don't have to make these decisions!

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5/21/2011  10:02 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Faried's measurements
Faried: 6’6 without shoes…6’7.5 with/7’0 wingspan 225

Dude is short for a PF even with shoes.

He has a great wing span, huge hands, and a 9'0 standing reach. He also holds the NCAA record for rebounds. Frischilla said that if he was taller he would be a consensus number one pick. He isn't a D'Antoni system player but playoff teams that win dominate the boards. He would be a nice addition.

problem is, he isn't taller. plenty of guys, if they were taller, would be the #1 pick. let's focus on what they actually are.

faried being 6'7 1/2 in shoes doesn't move him up the list. it would limit who he could guard, which really matters with STAT & MELO.

i think chris singleton is emerging as the #1 target. guy is 6'9 in shoes and can guard 2/3/4. he is a good rebounder and a tenacious defender. he also has an offensive game. all things considered, i think he's the best prospect for where the knicks are.

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5/21/2011  10:15 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.
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5/21/2011  10:17 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Faried's measurements
Faried: 6’6 without shoes…6’7.5 with/7’0 wingspan 225

Dude is short for a PF even with shoes.

He has a great wing span, huge hands, and a 9'0 standing reach. He also holds the NCAA record for rebounds. Frischilla said that if he was taller he would be a consensus number one pick. He isn't a D'Antoni system player but playoff teams that win dominate the boards. He would be a nice addition.

problem is, he isn't taller. plenty of guys, if they were taller, would be the #1 pick. let's focus on what they actually are.

faried being 6'7 1/2 in shoes doesn't move him up the list. it would limit who he could guard, which really matters with STAT & MELO.

i think chris singleton is emerging as the #1 target. guy is 6'9 in shoes and can guard 2/3/4. he is a good rebounder and a tenacious defender. he also has an offensive game. all things considered, i think he's the best prospect for where the knicks are.

Chris SIngleton is easily the better all around player by a wide margin.
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5/21/2011  11:52 AM
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

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5/21/2011  12:46 PM
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

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5/21/2011  1:05 PM
Dennis Rodman even called this kid on the phone. Likeable, coachable, hard working, gritty. Willing to do the dirty work. We should be so lucky to get this 6'6 kid. People are always obsessed with height, and weight, and how fast someone runs. This kid is a monster on the boards and will be blocking shots and averaging 10 bounds a game someday.
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5/21/2011  1:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?

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5/21/2011  1:34 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.
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5/21/2011  1:38 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.

Knicks desperately need a C so that Amare doesn't have to play PF. And a PG. Defense and bench.

Rebounding problem is tunnel vision.

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5/21/2011  8:37 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.

Knicks desperately need a C so that Amare doesn't have to play PF. And a PG. Defense and bench.

Rebounding problem is tunnel vision.

What people are missing is that our lack of rebounding is a function of being undersized. U don't resolve that by drafting someone who rebounds but is also undersized. Our Center is gonna be 6-6 and the second shortest guy on the court behind BIllups? I dont get it.
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5/21/2011  9:51 PM
Killa4luv wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.

Knicks desperately need a C so that Amare doesn't have to play PF. And a PG. Defense and bench.

Rebounding problem is tunnel vision.

What people are missing is that our lack of rebounding is a function of being undersized. U don't resolve that by drafting someone who rebounds but is also undersized. Our Center is gonna be 6-6 and the second shortest guy on the court behind BIllups? I dont get it.

6'6 centers are not the solution but a guy like Chuck Hayes does more than an adequate job on most nights. I think Faried is ready to play and will rebound at a high rate in the nba. It seems like there are always faults with some guys but you know that they know how to play. I think Faried is one of those guys.
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5/21/2011  11:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.

Knicks desperately need a C so that Amare doesn't have to play PF. And a PG. Defense and bench.

Rebounding problem is tunnel vision.

What people are missing is that our lack of rebounding is a function of being undersized. U don't resolve that by drafting someone who rebounds but is also undersized. Our Center is gonna be 6-6 and the second shortest guy on the court behind BIllups? I dont get it.

6'6 centers are not the solution but a guy like Chuck Hayes does more than an adequate job on most nights. I think Faried is ready to play and will rebound at a high rate in the nba. It seems like there are always faults with some guys but you know that they know how to play. I think Faried is one of those guys.

Chuck Hayes did very nicely on a non-playoff team.

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5/22/2011  12:14 AM
Chuck Hayes was a good position defender, not a high volume rebounder(although good) and has more girth and strength compared to someone like Faried
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5/22/2011  12:36 AM
Juice wrote:Chuck Hayes was a good position defender, not a high volume rebounder(although good) and has more girth and strength compared to someone like Faried

I guess I wasn't clear with the point that I was trying to make. Some players get over analyzed and fall in the draft. I think Faried is one of those guys. He can play and will produce. Similar to Josh Howard, Dajuan Blair, David Lee etc., guys that could play but also had weaknesses that caused them to be bypassed for guys with 'potential'. I could be wrong about Faried but that is how I see him.
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5/22/2011  4:21 AM
Worth saying here again for those worried about Farieds height:

If he has the same standing reach as a 7 footer (9ft) and a long wingspan, then what is the problem? Being shorter gives you better leverage and mobility due to a lower center of gravity and having the long arms and VERY quick hops (not to mention high) means that his height won't even be a hindrance, but rather be of benefit.

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5/22/2011  6:23 AM
If we're going for a big, the best overall package is Nikola Vucevic, from USC. According to the combine measurements, he's 6' 11 2/4 (w shoes) and 260 lbs. He has long arms (7' 4.5) and a higher standing reach than Greg Oden. He pulled down 10+ boards in a major conference and has a tremendous outside game for a big. He's also pretty effective scoring inside. Vucevic will move up the draft boards between now and the draft.
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Ira wrote:If we're going for a big, the best overall package is Nikola Vucevic, from USC. According to the combine measurements, he's 6' 11 2/4 (w shoes) and 260 lbs. He has long arms (7' 4.5) and a higher standing reach than Greg Oden. He pulled down 10+ boards in a major conference and has a tremendous outside game for a big. He's also pretty effective scoring inside. Vucevic will move up the draft boards between now and the draft.

I've heard of him and I am high on him. I trust management here. There is a lure of Faried as I think on the right team he can be special. We have two really good scorers, both have an outside inside game. A center who could shoot would clear out the middle, that is where Faried might be a hindrence, we'll see.

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5/22/2011  9:42 AM
Killa4luv wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Mase was 6'7 LJ was 6'6. This guy set the NCAA record for rebounding. If he is there at 17 I think you have to consider him. Two things that win the playoffs, teams that control the boards and teams that play great d. The Knicks do neither and they need to find a way to start doing both.

Are we comparing Faried to LJ and Mase, 2 of the widest men to ever put on a NY Knick Jersey? 2 men who were also uniquely talented in terms of their offensive skill sets. One, who, were it not for back problems would have been a hall of famer.

This convo has just reached the level of absurdity.

not only are the comparisons off, Faried is a PF... which the Knicks got covered in Amare.

A better comparison.

Dennis Keith Rodman (Worm)

Position: Forward ▪ Height: 6-7 ▪ Weight: 210 lbs.

ok. but why draft a PF when you got that covered for the next 5 years?


I think Amare is going to get a lot of minutes at center. The Knicks play undersized anyway. I don't think Faried will be available anyway but the Knicks desperately need rebounding.

Knicks desperately need a C so that Amare doesn't have to play PF. And a PG. Defense and bench.

Rebounding problem is tunnel vision.

What people are missing is that our lack of rebounding is a function of being undersized. U don't resolve that by drafting someone who rebounds but is also undersized. Our Center is gonna be 6-6 and the second shortest guy on the court behind BIllups? I dont get it.

Why doesn't Turiaf rebound better? He was 8.7 per 48 with us last year, and there was no shortage of rebounds for him to grab?

Landry Fields was 9.8.

Height has next to nothing to do with rebounding.

Rebounding is motor, innate vision of where the ball is likely to go, and hands.
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