nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.

not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.

martin wrote:not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.

I totally agree.We need speed and athleticism and multiply that by 100 for the PG spot.

I'm not under any assumptions that Faried fills our need at C...it's clear he's not, but he does seem ready to contribute right away, and the rebounding will be a HUGE plus for this squad. Really not too interested in Jimmer whatsoever.

I'll place my faith in the Don to make a smart decision.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.

not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.

Yeah that is an issue, but almost no top PG's are truly able to defend another without help. If you're gonna stop a guy like Rose it's gonna be a team effort. That's why I don't go too crazy over that aspect of things. There are other options i'd find acceptable that have more physical ability, but i'd still favor one of the guards in this draft. Selby is one i'd have no problem with. Jackson or Smith are possibilities.

If you are that crazy about MDA, it can't bother you or be that important to you to have a player who is not defensive minded (super JJ aside). What you care about is SHOTS, get LOOKS, lots of LOOKS, run run RUN ...

JJ Barea would be perfect in this system.

franco12 wrote:With Melo and Stat- it be great to have a PG that can set them up, but honest, their talents should be enough to score on their own. We should be able to get by with a PG by committee - Toney Douglas as a kind of Charlie Ward/Chris Childs.

Where we get killed is on the boards. I don't care if Faried is undersized as long as he has the motor and heart to grab boards. Because we really don't have anyone that has that hunger.

Agree! this is what i Love about Faried. People knock on his size... But look at Barkley,Love And rodman they were not the tallest people in the world but they have a great motor to get the rebounds.

Kevin Love is 6'10. He is a center. Dreadfully Poor comparison

Dennis Rodman was crazy and played next to legit centers with size. Based on his shiftline, another poor comparison.

Read my lips, the Knicks desperately need A CENTER. Not Renaldo Balkman with biceps. (thank you killa4luv)

unstopaball12 wrote:

misterearl wrote:unstoppaball12 - Charles Barkley was not a center.

Kevin Love is 6'10. He is a center. Dreadfully Poor comparison

Dennis Rodman was crazy and played next to legit centers with size. Based on his shiftline, another poor comparison.

Read my lips, the Knicks desperately need A CENTER. Not Renaldo Balkman with biceps. (thank you killa4luv)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile.php/Kevin-Love-1062/ read his height he is 6'8 not 6'10.... I only Compared Faried's motor and rebounding prowess to Barkley Rodman and Love.. i never said Barkley was a center nor Faried

He's not going to be available at 17.

We do need a center, but we can't just march a 7 footer out there- we need them to impact the game.

As much as I loved Moz and I love Turiaf's energy, neither one exactly were cleaning the glass.

Hey, if we can get a 7 footer than can block and board and score, heck yes!

But at 17, we're not getting that in one package.

Rebounding is the number one stat that helps teams become champions.

There were so many times this past season where we played great defense, but gave up multiple opportunities by failing to have someone that could secure the defensive rebound.

Having that skill next year is, in my opinion, the key thing that could give us the most impact.

I'm not crazy to think we don't have a lot of needs, but if Faried is the real deal and can translate to the next level, we'd be lucky to have him drop to 17 and have the chance to grab him.

He's definitely a half court weapon though, and would fit in well with our current group of players (though not with D'Antoni's preferred style).

Do we pair him with Douglas to cover his defensive liabilities? That might work...

I wish we had more than one pick, we need to get more players on undervalued contracts to compete.