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We Desperately Need A Center But If Darius Morris Is Available Donnie Walsh Grabs Him
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5/14/2011  11:13 AM
BigSm00th wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/darius-morris-pure-point-guard

Darius Morris: A Pure Point Guard

There are two things Darius needs to work on to have a solid start to his NBA career. Number one, he needs to get in the gym and hit the weights. For a guy under 200 pounds, he is surprisingly unmovable on his drives and forays to the hoop. On incidental contact, he just doesn't' get knocked off the ball. In order to have that same success in the pro's he's going to need to add about 15 pounds as everyone is bigger and faster.

He also needs to develop a three point shot as soon as possible.

This made me think of Rondo.

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5/14/2011  12:40 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/700336-2011-nba-draft-preview-top-five-players-at-each-postions
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/14/2011  1:18 PM
If the Knicks get a second round pick they might want to take a run at Greg Smith. From Hoopsworld:

The Hands of Greg Smith and Kawhi Leonard – Since the NBA started measuring hand sizes a few years ago, players who have enormous hands – such as Rajon Rondo – have received a considerable amount of attention for their freakish extremities. However, all hands pale in comparison to those of Smith and Leonard.


Smith broke the record for biggest hands when he was measured at the group workout in New Jersey, and he displays their advantages during workouts. When he was in the post, he often caught the ball by palming it with one hand, which amazed all of the trainers and spectators in attendance. It looked like he was catching a softball.

With that said, the only reason that Smith holds the record for biggest hands is because Leonard hasn't been measured yet. When he's measured at the Pre-Draft Camp in Chicago next week, don't be surprised if talk of Leonard's hands starts to heat up. His hands are even bigger than Smith's and some believe Leonard will have the largest hands in the entire NBA. At one point during a three-on-three game, Alec Burks tried to whip a hard pass across the court, but Leonard stuck one hand out and caught the ball out of midair. Some called Leonard's hands "catcher's mitts" and there's no question they're going to help him going forward.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19792#ixzz1MMMcreg1

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5/14/2011  2:07 PM
this kid seems good. saw him in the tournie against duke and he looked solid.

ideally, i'd love to buy a pick to take him (or a guy like nolan smith from duke) in the 20s and take a big man at 17.

we need to come out of this draft with two guys who can contribute to the rotation. that's a tall order, but i have faith in donnie.

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5/14/2011  2:51 PM
Unless there are two guys with similar ability available, always draft the best player regardless of position.
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5/15/2011  5:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2011  5:05 PM
crzymdups wrote:
misterearl wrote:BigSmOOth - I got no beef with Faried but he is NOT a center. Nor is Amare. The wear and tear of banging against bigger bodies is not pretty.

You take Faried and you potentially run the risk of redundancy in the front court with size and a limited offensive skill set. Dude is 6'7. Unless he is able to play defense against guys 6'10 and taller it is not a wise move. What he got away with in college must be applied to playing against grown ass men. Big men. I worry about that....

Many said the same thing about Dejuan Blair and Faried is far more athletic.

crzymdups - many said the Landry Fields was a waste of a pick, so I don't ever subscribe to, or EVER put any trust in, the always meaningless "most people" reference. Besides, the Dejuan Blair thread is down the hall. Blair fit a need the Spurs had to backup Duncan and took the risk. Good for them. The Knicks are in a different place with the roster being completed with complementary players. The Knicks DO NOT need a 6'7 player, I don't care how "athletic" Faried is. Renaldo Balkman was an "athletic" 6'7 in college as well.

Meanwhile, back to the core thesis and the good news on Darius Morris (artfully provided by bigsmOOth, thank you):

Morris is a complimentary player who can deliver the ball to the scorers WHERE they want it. Chauncey can ease into being more of a shooter and pick the spots where he expends energy. That benefit will pay huge dividends in April.

"Overall, the prospect for a successful pro career is in the offing for Morris. He has the ability to be a solid assist guy at the next level, and if he develops that aforementioned three point shot, a high caliber performer in a point guard rich league. He reminds me of Michael Ray Richardson without the baggage. In fact, with his attitude and leadership skills, he has a chance to be the biggest sleeper in the entire 2011 draft."

You had me at Michael Ray.

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5/15/2011  5:27 PM
D Morris seems like a solid option and a perfect PG to develop for the future. I wonder why he is still down so far on mock drafts right now.
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5/15/2011  5:56 PM
And Anudder Thing From The Answer Man

Chauncey Billups is a future Hall of Fame candidate but he only has one speed. Slow. He is purely jog it up and set it up. Darius Morris allows the Knicks to join the ranks of elite teams that can play effectively at varying speeds. In addition, he is 6'4.

Q. Knixkik - I wonder why he is still down so far on mock drafts right now.

A. Whatever it is, please lower your voice and don't tell anyone.

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5/15/2011  7:42 PM
It's because he has alot of question marks. We might want to believe it's some steal but it is more likely that his ability to translate to the NBA is in doubt by most scouts.

I would pick but I wonder if the knicks should try to fall back in the draft to get another pick if they can.

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5/15/2011  8:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2011  8:34 PM
The Crapshoot Chronicles

Anji - all potential draft picks have question marks and mock drafts can be compiled by just about any self-appointed expert with a computer. Every last one of them. Michael Jordan had question marks and Sam Bowie had question marks. Portland decided that Bowie was the choice. Go figure.

The smartest General managers, or wanna-be general managers, understand how to visualize a players skill set in the context of his teams needs. For every person who covets a Faried, I would respond that by having acquired Amare and Carmelo, and given the offense-oriented coaching philosophy, rebounding is less an issue than ensuring said offense has the proper components to operate at maximum efficiency from the jump.

Rebounding is also easier to fix than leadership and tempo. You make rebounding a team effort. And you audition all the 6'11 specialists you can scout in Summer League.

Billups is good, but he is NOT an answer to any question past 2012. If a pass-oriented lead guard, who happens to be 6'4, is available - you grab him faster than you can say Rick Brunson. A yoot at lead guard is a beautiful thing. Young legs. A player with multiple gears. Wonderful options to have when you have two stars as the prime shot hounds.

Of course, there are no guarantees. That is why Donnie Walnuts makes the big bucks and the rest of us are mashing keys on a laptop. The foresight to select Landry Fields was aided by carefully measuring a skill-set in a Knicks context. The Knicks need two things. Talent over 6'10 and reliable leadership in the backcourt. Should Toney Douglas develop as a lead guard, all the better. Practice just got more competitive

The Knicks need to maximize their best assets. That includes Shawne Williams, who showed signs of being a better rebounder. If Extra E builds his strength and anticipation, it could be a cool second season in the big city.

In the era of yoot, lightning fast first steps and problematic defensive matchups, Darius Morris keeps the Knicks relevant by getting guys the rock where they want it.

Hit the open man.

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5/15/2011  8:36 PM
i guess i would be happy with either daruis morris or nolan smith.

i can see connections there to ease the transition, making them ready to go rotation players from day one.

we can address the C position via free agency or an out of nowhere signing like moz.

Had enough Melo?
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5/15/2011  9:06 PM
I really miss Mozgov
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5/16/2011  7:47 AM
misterearl wrote:I really miss Mozgov

yea it would have been fun seeing him develop

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5/16/2011  8:23 AM
unstopaball12 - Darius Morris makes the Knicks a better team.

one more thing: Rick Adelman is a sidegrade, Anthony Parker is the LEAST of our needs, Shawne Williams hiring a personal trainer would be a wise move, Sheleden Williams can take a hike to his eighth team, Jerome Jordan needs to show significant improvement and maturity in summer league.

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5/16/2011  9:46 AM
I like Darius Morris. But this team really needs a Pure PG AND a rebounding big man. I'm hoping they buy another first rounder and take Darius Morrie or Nolan Smith for PG and then Faried or Lucas Noguiera for a big man. (Comparing Faried to Renaldo Balkman seems to be based in haircut comparison only... Faried is much more dedicated to the sport than Balkman ever was and much better on the floor.)

This team needs bodies and depth in the worst way. Look at the Bulls - CJ Watson, Ronnie Brewer and Taj Gibson played a big role for the Bulls last night. Depth depth depth.

I miss Mozgov and Corey Brewer.

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5/16/2011  10:30 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
misterearl wrote:BigSmOOth - I got no beef with Faried but he is NOT a center. Nor is Amare. The wear and tear of banging against bigger bodies is not pretty.

You take Faried and you potentially run the risk of redundancy in the front court with size and a limited offensive skill set. Dude is 6'7. Unless he is able to play defense against guys 6'10 and taller it is not a wise move. What he got away with in college must be applied to playing against grown ass men. Big men. I worry about that....

right, i hear ya. i haven't done much research but from what i've seen, it doesn't look like the C's are that promising.

we played STAT at C a bunch last year, I'm not expecting faried to be a C. but if he can come off the bench and give us 25 minutes of good rebounding, hustle, and overall tenacious play i'll take it, even if he's only 6'7.

Papabear Says

We need a big C more than we need anything else. We don't need a 6'7 guy guarding a 7 footer. We need a big man and as a matter of fact we need 2 7 footers. NOW! who can play now.

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5/16/2011  11:28 AM
misterearl wrote:The Crapshoot Chronicles

Anji - all potential draft picks have question marks and mock drafts can be compiled by just about any self-appointed expert with a computer. Every last one of them. Michael Jordan had question marks and Sam Bowie had question marks. Portland decided that Bowie was the choice. Go figure.

The smartest General managers, or wanna-be general managers, understand how to visualize a players skill set in the context of his teams needs. For every person who covets a Faried, I would respond that by having acquired Amare and Carmelo, and given the offense-oriented coaching philosophy, rebounding is less an issue than ensuring said offense has the proper components to operate at maximum efficiency from the jump.

Rebounding is also easier to fix than leadership and tempo. You make rebounding a team effort. And you audition all the 6'11 specialists you can scout in Summer League.

Billups is good, but he is NOT an answer to any question past 2012. If a pass-oriented lead guard, who happens to be 6'4, is available - you grab him faster than you can say Rick Brunson. A yoot at lead guard is a beautiful thing. Young legs. A player with multiple gears. Wonderful options to have when you have two stars as the prime shot hounds.

Of course, there are no guarantees. That is why Donnie Walnuts makes the big bucks and the rest of us are mashing keys on a laptop. The foresight to select Landry Fields was aided by carefully measuring a skill-set in a Knicks context. The Knicks need two things. Talent over 6'10 and reliable leadership in the backcourt. Should Toney Douglas develop as a lead guard, all the better. Practice just got more competitive

The Knicks need to maximize their best assets. That includes Shawne Williams, who showed signs of being a better rebounder. If Extra E builds his strength and anticipation, it could be a cool second season in the big city.

In the era of yoot, lightning fast first steps and problematic defensive matchups, Darius Morris keeps the Knicks relevant by getting guys the rock where they want it.

Hit the open man.

+1 over here....no position is more important in a mda system then the point..I don't care if we were a -20 on the boards ever night

ES
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5/16/2011  1:24 PM
Think of it this way, before Derek Rose the Chicago Bulls were fading to Bolivian. Kirk Hinrich was not taking them anywhere.

After Derek Rose gained confidence, the Bulls playing personality was changed radically and everyone's game that came in contact with the magnificent Mr. Rose was taken up a notch.

The Knicks need a instigator and a facilitator in the backcourt

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5/16/2011  3:03 PM
misterearl wrote:Think of it this way, before Derek Rose the Chicago Bulls were fading to Bolivian. Kirk Hinrich was not taking them anywhere.

After Derek Rose gained confidence, the Bulls playing personality was changed radically and everyone's game that came in contact with the magnificent Mr. Rose was taken up a notch.

The Knicks need a instigator and a facilitator in the backcourt

D Rose is responsible for maybe 30% of there wins , the other 70% goes to the coach and the rest of the team.

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5/16/2011  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2011  3:21 PM
70% to the coach?

knicks1248 - can you please cite the scientific research and analysis of player production that you have undertaken to come up with those percentages?

I have been watching basketball for over three decades and have yet to see a head coach who can change his body position in mid-air to avoid contact. But that's just me.

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