AnubisADL wrote:Chicago Bulls are pretenders. Deng is often injured and depending on him to stay healthy or consistent is fools gold.

I will take my chances with Amare and Carmelo.

"often injured". so often he played in all 82 games this year.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

Fish, it is the coach that decides what to implement and how to implement it. You speak of Riley he is a coach that has a great ability top adapt to his talents and get the most out his players. Boozer is by no means a great defensive player. Deng wasn't a defensive force neither was Rose for that matter. Only defensive stand out the Bulls had was Noah. It was Tibs that implement his system of defense. He emphasized it in practice and in game until he was getting the most out of the players he had. MDA has to do the same thing he needs to stay with the program from day one to the end to see results of defense. He can't be half azzed in his approach to defense. The great coaches always stay with defense and don't let up on it. The great coaches call time out when he senses his defense if faltering. As for what a player gets paid I don't see what your hang up is about that. It didn't stop Tibs from implementing his system with the Celtics did it? I think they have three big money players on that team that weren't know for their defense and Tibs was able to get them to play defense. I remember Tibs sitting his entire first unit for lack of defense early in the season, sending statements to his star and every player if you want to play, better start buying into my system. Very similar to the way MDA handles players for not playing offense the way he likes it.

I don't really like to say it as you have freedom to say what ever you want, but you are on a hate ramble.

Thibs and pretty much the whole Bulls community will kindly disagree with the bolded statement.

I will agree with you that a coach must emphasize defense - it's a must - but you have to have the defensive talent, especially in the bigs department, to become very good at it from a team perspective. No way around it. Same with offense.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

How quickly you forget. Once a team starts winning the past becomes all rosy.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

How quickly you forget. Once a team starts winning the past becomes all rosy.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

Fish, it is the coach that decides what to implement and how to implement it. You speak of Riley he is a coach that has a great ability top adapt to his talents and get the most out his players. Boozer is by no means a great defensive player. Deng wasn't a defensive force neither was Rose for that matter. Only defensive stand out the Bulls had was Noah. It was Tibs that implement his system of defense. He emphasized it in practice and in game until he was getting the most out of the players he had. MDA has to do the same thing he needs to stay with the program from day one to the end to see results of defense. He can't be half azzed in his approach to defense. The great coaches always stay with defense and don't let up on it. The great coaches call time out when he senses his defense if faltering. As for what a player gets paid I don't see what your hang up is about that. It didn't stop Tibs from implementing his system with the Celtics did it? I think they have three big money players on that team that weren't know for their defense and Tibs was able to get them to play defense. I remember Tibs sitting his entire first unit for lack of defense early in the season, sending statements to his star and every player if you want to play, better start buying into my system. Very similar to the way MDA handles players for not playing offense the way he likes it.

I don't really like to say it as you have freedom to say what ever you want, but you are on a hate ramble.

Thibs and pretty much the whole Bulls community will kindly disagree with the bolded statement.

I will agree with you that a coach must emphasize defense - it's a must - but you have to have the defensive talent, especially in the bigs department, to become very good at it from a team perspective. No way around it. Same with offense.

I never saw Deng as a defensive demon. As for Bigs and MDA please don't get me started, that is MDA's down fall.

Not sure if you just don't watch the Bulls or what, Deng is decent defensive player: Thibs always puts him on the toughest wing assignment.

1) What credible bigs doesn't MDA play? 2) What C's has he had?

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

Fish, it is the coach that decides what to implement and how to implement it. You speak of Riley he is a coach that has a great ability top adapt to his talents and get the most out his players. Boozer is by no means a great defensive player. Deng wasn't a defensive force neither was Rose for that matter. Only defensive stand out the Bulls had was Noah. It was Tibs that implement his system of defense. He emphasized it in practice and in game until he was getting the most out of the players he had. MDA has to do the same thing he needs to stay with the program from day one to the end to see results of defense. He can't be half azzed in his approach to defense. The great coaches always stay with defense and don't let up on it. The great coaches call time out when he senses his defense if faltering. As for what a player gets paid I don't see what your hang up is about that. It didn't stop Tibs from implementing his system with the Celtics did it? I think they have three big money players on that team that weren't know for their defense and Tibs was able to get them to play defense. I remember Tibs sitting his entire first unit for lack of defense early in the season, sending statements to his star and every player if you want to play, better start buying into my system. Very similar to the way MDA handles players for not playing offense the way he likes it.

I don't really like to say it as you have freedom to say what ever you want, but you are on a hate ramble.

Thibs and pretty much the whole Bulls community will kindly disagree with the bolded statement.

I will agree with you that a coach must emphasize defense - it's a must - but you have to have the defensive talent, especially in the bigs department, to become very good at it from a team perspective. No way around it. Same with offense.

I never saw Deng as a defensive demon. As for Bigs and MDA please don't get me started, that is MDA's down fall.

Not sure if you just don't watch the Bulls or what, Deng is decent defensive player: Thibs always puts him on the toughest wing assignment.

1) What credible bigs doesn't MDA play? 2) What C's has he had?

You don't need credible big in todays NBA you just need bigs. Tibs gets a Center like Asik minutes on MDA's team he dog house material.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

how many years where the Knicks terrible?

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

Fish, it is the coach that decides what to implement and how to implement it. You speak of Riley he is a coach that has a great ability top adapt to his talents and get the most out his players. Boozer is by no means a great defensive player. Deng wasn't a defensive force neither was Rose for that matter. Only defensive stand out the Bulls had was Noah. It was Tibs that implement his system of defense. He emphasized it in practice and in game until he was getting the most out of the players he had. MDA has to do the same thing he needs to stay with the program from day one to the end to see results of defense. He can't be half azzed in his approach to defense. The great coaches always stay with defense and don't let up on it. The great coaches call time out when he senses his defense if faltering. As for what a player gets paid I don't see what your hang up is about that. It didn't stop Tibs from implementing his system with the Celtics did it? I think they have three big money players on that team that weren't know for their defense and Tibs was able to get them to play defense. I remember Tibs sitting his entire first unit for lack of defense early in the season, sending statements to his star and every player if you want to play, better start buying into my system. Very similar to the way MDA handles players for not playing offense the way he likes it.

I don't really like to say it as you have freedom to say what ever you want, but you are on a hate ramble.

Thibs and pretty much the whole Bulls community will kindly disagree with the bolded statement.

I will agree with you that a coach must emphasize defense - it's a must - but you have to have the defensive talent, especially in the bigs department, to become very good at it from a team perspective. No way around it. Same with offense.

I never saw Deng as a defensive demon. As for Bigs and MDA please don't get me started, that is MDA's down fall.

Not sure if you just don't watch the Bulls or what, Deng is decent defensive player: Thibs always puts him on the toughest wing assignment.

1) What credible bigs doesn't MDA play? 2) What C's has he had?

You don't need credible big in todays NBA you just need bigs. Tibs gets a Center like Asik minutes on MDA's team he dog house material.

hey thanks for having a discussion. Nothing like just making **** up. Feel free to take a shot at answering my questions.

Splitter, the best so-called big man out of Europe in a long time, was in Pop's dog house. Who cares though, right?

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:I think the bigger example that the Bulls give out more so than anything else is DEFENSE. MDA can take a page out of that book forget the player Knicks will have the horses come next year. The bigger question is can MDA make the Knicks players into defensive juggernauts. I highly doubt it, but let see what happens.

No... the bigger question would be could a coach like Thibs get players who make $20mm and go to all star games withOUT playing much defense their whole careers change now? Knoa was a great defensive player since college. Boozer has always been an elite rebounder. Deng has always been a good defensive player as well. Rose doesnt play any defense and everyone knows it, but you look at the parts and there are all the pieces for being a great defensive team. A lock down wing, a lock down big, anothe elite rebounder...

VMart what are the Knick pieces for being a great defensive team? Coaching? Please tell me you know more about sports than that.

Riley coached showtime... why coulnt he "teach" Ewing, Starks, Mason and Oak to push the ball and be more dynamic on offense like Kareem, Magic, Worth and Byron were? Shouldnt a GOOD coach be able to do that?

funny stuff.

I guess than a coach has no role at all. He can't influence the offensive or defensive prowess of a team. If that's the case why the hard on for mda?

Vmart wrote:Nice come back giving me players in other coaches dog house, guess what what do Pop and MDA have in common, both are sitting home after round one. You always ask me who and what MDA has had. I keep telling you he has had Shaq and was unhappy with that. He like PFs playing center but you refuse to understand that.

Shaq played 28 games and started with MDA each one of them. Played ~28 minutes a game, same as he did the 2 previous years with Miami.

Vmart, I keep asking you to identify the C's MDA has had and you can't come up with a list, cause there isn't one, and thus he has been forced to play Amare and some other PF-like guys at C.

My questions remain: 1) What credible bigs doesn't MDA play? 2) What C's has he had?

When you work at a pizza joint that only serves pizza, saying a cook is horrible and inflexible at the place because he never makes pancakes is just very weird.