who cares if he plays "POINT GUARD" (put it in extra big size). his team asks him to do what he does. he led them to the most wins in the NBA. why's that so bad?

who cares what the media labels him as, he has nothing to do with that.

i believe you have the lebron story wrong too. lebron stood him up in chicago and i think rose said if he doesnt have the time to call me i dont want him here.

rose takes 1000 jumpers a day. he works tirelessly and plays injured. thats why i like him. not because of the MVP anointing him MVP (lets be honest LBJ is the best player in the league).

westbrook plays out of control and makes stupid decisions. james harden has set teammates up better than russ has in this series. that's just a fact, look at the tape. westbrook plays like he's a shooting guard, but he's not. his team asks him to do different things -- namely, run the offense and set up durant. last few games he's taken it on his own. its not a double standard -- rose doesn't have the best scorer in the league on his squad!

there are TWO standards -- the bulls expect one thing from rose and the thunder expect a different thing from westbrook. the teams are designed differently.

as it pertains to the media...well, who really gives a damn. everything is a double standard in the media.

Juice wrote:Can't wait to hear what the fellas have to say about MVP D-Rose

why? 1 bad game?

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:Can't wait to hear what the fellas have to say about MVP D-Rose

why? 1 bad game?

In the Playoffs he has shot

4-18fg
6-22fg
11-27fg
10-27fg
12-32fg
7-23fg

But hey who knew

first of all, they are in the conference finals.

second of all, let's break down your #'s:

4-18 fg...also was 13/15 from the line, hit go-ahead layup with 17 seconds to win and go up 3-0.

6-22 fg...also had 10 assists. lost by 5.

11-27 ... also had 10 assists. lost by 5.

10-27 ... also had 10 assists. won the game.

12-32 ... also had 10 assists, and was 9/11 from the line. lost by 12.

7-23 ... also had 8 assists 6 boards. loss.

if that hasn't de-bunked your "all he does is score" whining then i dont know what will. you can't bring it every night, when he's not scoring he's doing other things.

interesting that the bulls lost 4 of the 6 bad games, which shows you how important he is. oh, and they won 60 games and had the best regular season record in the NBA, while missing huge amounts of time from their 2 other best players. if your small sample size and the preceding statement doesn't show you that rose brought it and competed night in and night out, we can just face facts that you are a hater, nothing more nothing less.

come off it dude. you just don't like rose. the guy isn't a propped up media king, he's a legit top 5 player in the league, plays hard, and competes every game. what is your beef?

Juice wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:Can't wait to hear what the fellas have to say about MVP D-Rose

why? 1 bad game?

In the Playoffs he has shot

4-18fg
6-22fg
11-27fg
10-27fg
12-32fg
7-23fg

But hey who knew

first of all, they are in the conference finals.

second of all, let's break down your #'s:

4-18 fg...also was 13/15 from the line, hit go-ahead layup with 17 seconds to win and go up 3-0.

6-22 fg...also had 10 assists. lost by 5.

11-27 ... also had 10 assists. lost by 5.

10-27 ... also had 10 assists. won the game.

12-32 ... also had 10 assists, and was 9/11 from the line. lost by 12.

7-23 ... also had 8 assists 6 boards. loss.

if that hasn't de-bunked your "all he does is score" whining then i dont know what will. you can't bring it every night, when he's not scoring he's doing other things.

interesting that the bulls lost 4 of the 6 bad games, which shows you how important he is. oh, and they won 60 games and had the best regular season record in the NBA, while missing huge amounts of time from their 2 other best players. if your small sample size and the preceding statement doesn't show you that rose brought it and competed night in and night out, we can just face facts that you are a hater, nothing more nothing less.

come off it dude. you just don't like rose. the guy isn't a propped up media king, he's a legit top 5 player in the league, plays hard, and competes every game. what is your beef?

He still shoots too much and should you leave out the TOs since you went deeper into the box score route? Notice they lost quite a few of those games he shot horrific. My point being is WestBrook is getting killed or side jokes for doing similar while he is not.

no he's not dude. westbrook is getting killed for taking stupid shots at the end of games. the ball movement stops, everyone stands around, and westbrook goes in isolation mode and bricks shot after shot.

rose does not do that. rose scores. way better than westbrook. and when he doesn't, he sets guys up. yeah, he had turnovers that game, the guy is the ENTIRE offense for chicago. westbrook isn't even the most important player on his offense -- that would be durant, the two-time scoring champ he routinely freezes out to close games. outside of that, james harden can set guys up and create offense -- with the bulls its all rose.

your "point" about some sort of different standard has no merit whatsoever. westbrook screws games up by trying to be the hero. rose wins games and usually is the best one on the floor doing it.

martin wrote:for me Rose is a 22 year old PG who is a phenomenal athlete. Played 1 year of college. Has figured out how to win and play within team concept perhaps faster than Jordan did. Lots of room to grow and in 2 years when he does learn how to get his teammates more involved, will be very scary.

The guys who surround him are decent but there is not one guy who I would say can carry the offensive load. Noah is a defensive guy, Booz has been less than an average PF for the entire playoffs, Deng is solid both ways but not dynamic offensively in any way, and Keith Bogans is starting because there isn't anyone better.

I can agree with this to the extent, they lack that 4rth scorer but at the same I highlighted the roster comparison between Utah and Bulls and Deron and Rose. They both played with similar players(Boozer/Korver/Brewer). What Rose should be doing is trying to utilize Taj Gibson more... to make him his Paul Milsap and getting easier shots for Korver. The two clear advantages offensively are Miles over Bogans and Milsap over Gibson but Rose shouldn't take it upon himself nor should Thibs to have him call his number 7-10 more times than necessary. You could even argue Noah should get the ball more in the post especially now, during this series as he has a pretty good mismatch down low with whoever is guarding him.

Rose spends too much time staying out high for them to get into their base set, calls for a screen, if trapped ball swings to players who for the most part are standing still, with little time to do anything with the ball or they have it where he sends an elbow entry pass to a big to run Rose off screens in order for him to get the ball back. Rose should be dribbling through defenses not to score only but to move them from side to side finding his shooters. If Rose keeps this up he's going to get himself seriously injured early in his career.

There should be a balance of his Game 6 play verses ATL and getting his in an offense built around him. When you're 4-11fg in a close game and finish 7-23fg this tells me the Point Guard didn't look to adjust his game at his position.

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:for me Rose is a 22 year old PG who is a phenomenal athlete. Played 1 year of college. Has figured out how to win and play within team concept perhaps faster than Jordan did. Lots of room to grow and in 2 years when he does learn how to get his teammates more involved, will be very scary.

The guys who surround him are decent but there is not one guy who I would say can carry the offensive load. Noah is a defensive guy, Booz has been less than an average PF for the entire playoffs, Deng is solid both ways but not dynamic offensively in any way, and Keith Bogans is starting because there isn't anyone better.

I can agree with this to the extent, they lack that 4rth scorer but at the same I highlighted the roster comparison between Utah and Bulls and Deron and Rose. They both played with similar players(Boozer/Korver/Brewer). What Rose should be doing is trying to utilize Taj Gibson more... to make him his Paul Milsap and getting easier shots for Korver. The two clear advantages offensively are Miles over Bogans and Milsap over Gibson but Rose shouldn't take it upon himself nor should Thibs to have him call his number 7-10 more times than necessary. You could even argue Noah should get the ball more in the post especially now, during this series as he has a pretty good mismatch down low with whoever is guarding him.

Rose spends too much time staying out high for them to get into their base set, calls for a screen, if trapped ball swings to players who for the most part are standing still, with little time to do anything with the ball or they have it where he sends an elbow entry pass to a big to run Rose off screens in order for him to get the ball back. Rose should be dribbling through defenses not to score only but to move them from side to side finding his shooters. If Rose keeps this up he's going to get himself seriously injured early in his career.

There should be a balance of his Game 6 play verses ATL and getting his in an offense built around him. When you're 4-11fg in a close game and finish 7-23fg this tells me the Point Guard didn't look to adjust his game at his position.

I think you are missing 2 huge points.

1) Booz is sucking during this playoffs. 11.6PPG and 9RPG. Other years he is up at the 20PPG and 13RPG. Big difference.
2) Mehmet Okur. When Utah made it far into playoffs his first 2 years on team, he could stretch defenses and pull bigs away from basket for Deron.

When you have PFs and Cs who can make jumpshots from > 10 feet it makes a world of difference to a PG. The middle to rim area opens up for drive and kick. You can't do that with Noah and a lame ass Booz, which mean Miami and other defenses can both key off of Rose and clog the middle to their delight.

1) Booz doesn't get nearly the amount of consistent touches or looks as he did in Utah. Matter of fact he scores off PNR and elbow(jumper) mainly whereas the Bulls are trying to have him score as an outlet from the breakdown on D and underneath the basket. Yes he hasn't performed up to expectation but he's not being used the same way either as he was in Utah...Derrick Rose/System has a lot to do with it

2) Memo was hurt I believe all of last year's playoffs. The Jazz were using a center rotation of Fesenko and Koufos down the stretch of the season into the playoffs. I think AK47 was hurt too or not 100%. No hindrance to D-Will he still dropped dimes. Same with CP3...... David West went down he dropped dimes to players like Carl Landry(Milsap/Boozer) Aaron Gray(Fesenko/Asik) and Jason Smith(Gibson) and kept feeding Belinelli(Korver) a team somewhat devoid of legit scorers.

Every other game putting up 25fga is insane by Rose

I'm not saying he should be CP3 and Deron or Nash but I am saying he should make the game easier for his teammates. I was using those guys as examples to show point guards have the ability to get offensively hindered(team or players) one dimensional players buckets and for their FGA's not to have such a huge ratio to their AST