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5/6/2011  6:45 PM
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:Some guys are just special when it comes to rebounding. Maybe this is one of those guys. IMO head height isn't the most important aspect for a PF/C. You need a great motor, arm length, athletic ability and a strong base to hold your position. You need great instincts in reading where the ball will come off the rim and quick reflexes. Most of all you need DESIRE. You look at a guy like Lopez with great size and no desire for the ball. His height is meaningless.

I agree for the most part. But if you've played ball, you realize how much of a difference 4 inches can make on the boards.


True, but then you have guys like Charles Barkely and Ben Wallace and even David Lee. They track down balls that bigger slower guys just don't get to. Also with a strong base, athletic ability and long arms you can even the odds a bit. Most of the time the big guys don't even jump. Dwight Howard is the exception to that.

Having a PF on your team that can board is a plus for us cuz we don't have a guy like that. We'd still have other bigs, but he could be a nice addition to the rotation. At least this team is setup to play small and succeed. Mike has done it very well in the past. Taking lots of 3's leads to long rebounds and a guy that is smaller and quicker can track those down like Lee used to do. It'll be interesting to see the measurements and his stats and to hear how he does in workouts.


I think you are right. If Faried lasts until 17 I think the Knicks have to grab him. I know he is projected as going at 21 on draftnet and draft express but I think he will move up with work outs. When you have a guy that holds the NCAA record for rebounds and is compared to Rodman favorably I think you get that guy if you have a chance.
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5/6/2011  7:36 PM
I just don't wanna get caught up in taking a big just cuz he's big. Sometimes guys get passed over cuz they don't measure 7'. I like taking the biggest heart and motor. Nothing worse big LAZY guys.
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5/6/2011  8:09 PM
Now is the time to fill this squad with role players and this guy's skillset seems to fit perfectly with what they're lacking. Before this year, I wouldn't have been crazy about picking a guy like this, but after watching the maturation and progression of a guy like Hansbrough (a player I don't think I could've been more wrong about), this is the type of player whose energy can become contagious and if he develops other parts of his game along the way then that's just an added benefit.

But like BigSmooth said, I would sign Dalembert and let him come off the bench because I wouldn't expect him to start @ the 5 or even 4 w/ STAT @ the 5.
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5/6/2011  10:14 PM
there is no way this guy lasts.

Some of the best rebounders come out of small schools - thinking Charles Oakley and Viriginia Union.

This coverage reminds me a bit of all the coverage around Stephen Curry- and we see how that worked out for us.
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5/7/2011  6:33 AM
I don't know, I just look at the end of our bench with Shelden Williams when we talk about taking a role player. It's easy talk about a million things you can't see like heart and fire, with a Charles Oakley/Ben Wallace reference but when it comes down to it undersized centers don't make it in the NBA.

We have had a need for a center for years and how many times in the draft has there been some " Defensive Big" from some small school we thought could help the team???? I don't wanna waste a pretty good pick at 17 on a role player.

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5/7/2011  7:45 AM
how was jerome jordan in college? can anyone describe his game? because im not willing to spend the whole MLE on dalembert. Id rather sign veterans(anthony parker, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd,Jrich, Grant Hill) than him. We need Depth!!! people DEPTH and Playoff Experience. We just looked flat out scared during the first round.

Now a Kenyon Martin/Turiaf/Jordan
Stat/Faried/ Shawne Williams
Carmelo/ Shawne Williams/Fields
Anthony Parker/Fields/Billups
Billups/Douglas/carter

Thats a Solid 12 man lineup add: Walker,Brown,Rautins as our Injury reserves

this line up is realistic and can make us contenders
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5/7/2011  8:51 AM
Give me a 6'11 player or best available player
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5/7/2011  9:56 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:how was jerome jordan in college? can anyone describe his game? because im not willing to spend the whole MLE on dalembert. Id rather sign veterans(anthony parker, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd,Jrich, Grant Hill) than him. We need Depth!!! people DEPTH and Playoff Experience. We just looked flat out scared during the first round.

Now a Kenyon Martin/Turiaf/Jordan
Stat/Faried/ Shawne Williams
Carmelo/ Shawne Williams/Fields
Anthony Parker/Fields/Billups
Billups/Douglas/carter

Thats a Solid 12 man lineup add: Walker,Brown,Rautins as our Injury reserves

this line up is realistic and can make us contenders

i'm not sure how "realistic" it is i thought you can only use the MLE on one guy. can you split it up?

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5/7/2011  9:57 AM
mikesknicks wrote:Give me a 6'11 player or best available player

who cares about height. if this guy can rebound at an elite level in the NBA i want him. plenty of guys who are 6'11 don't get boards.

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5/7/2011  10:28 AM
who cares about height. if this guy can rebound at an elite level in the NBA i want him. plenty of guys who are 6'11 don't get boards.

Have you ever heard "you can't teach height? But i'm sure you know more the the NBA people paid to do their job.

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5/7/2011  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/7/2011  10:34 AM
mikesknicks wrote:
who cares about height. if this guy can rebound at an elite level in the NBA i want him. plenty of guys who are 6'11 don't get boards.

Have you ever heard "you can't teach height? But i'm sure you know more the the NBA people paid to do their job.

yea i get it. the knicks were the 28th worst team last year in rebounding, so while i agree height would be nice, who are you gonna draft?
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

jajuan johnson is 6'10 but he's more of a 3/4 tweener.

trey tompkins is 6'10 but he'll likely be gone before the knicks pick.

jeremy tyler, jon leuer, i dont think any of these guys are NBA caliber centers.

faried is the all-time NCAA rebounding leader. rebounding in college doesn't always translate but if this guy can be a solid rebounder i'd much prefer him than a tall guy who's a tweener and sits out on the perimeter.

you can't teach height, but what good is a guy who's 6'10 who stands 18 feet from the hoop waiting for a kick out?

you can't teach determination, hustle, or energy either - and thats usually what guy's who are elite rebounders have.


its 2002 and you're an NBA GM -- who would you rather have, ben wallace or michael doleac? i'd rather have ben even though he's giving up 5 inches and you can't teach height, but what do i know i'm only an aspiring "NBA person."

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5/7/2011  10:42 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:how was jerome jordan in college? can anyone describe his game? because im not willing to spend the whole MLE on dalembert. Id rather sign veterans(anthony parker, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd,Jrich, Grant Hill) than him. We need Depth!!! people DEPTH and Playoff Experience. We just looked flat out scared during the first round.

Now a Kenyon Martin/Turiaf/Jordan
Stat/Faried/ Shawne Williams
Carmelo/ Shawne Williams/Fields
Anthony Parker/Fields/Billups
Billups/Douglas/carter

Thats a Solid 12 man lineup add: Walker,Brown,Rautins as our Injury reserves

this line up is realistic and can make us contenders

i'm not sure how "realistic" it is i thought you can only use the MLE on one guy. can you split it up?


Yes you can split the MLE to multiple players.
I can see Kenyon Martin going here for less, since he was teammates with melo and billups add to that he gets to play alongside Amare. Anthony Parker is not getting any younger and the cavs are not going anywhere so he might go to a contender. What better team to go to were he is in the position to win it all plus being the starting 2 guard of the team.
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5/7/2011  10:43 AM
I just dont want to see opposing teams score so easily because of Offensive rebounds. That what broke my heart last year. We sometimes play good defense but it becomes no use because they get the offensive rebound
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5/7/2011  10:57 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:how was jerome jordan in college? can anyone describe his game? because im not willing to spend the whole MLE on dalembert. Id rather sign veterans(anthony parker, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd,Jrich, Grant Hill) than him. We need Depth!!! people DEPTH and Playoff Experience. We just looked flat out scared during the first round.

Now a Kenyon Martin/Turiaf/Jordan
Stat/Faried/ Shawne Williams
Carmelo/ Shawne Williams/Fields
Anthony Parker/Fields/Billups
Billups/Douglas/carter

Thats a Solid 12 man lineup add: Walker,Brown,Rautins as our Injury reserves

this line up is realistic and can make us contenders

i'm not sure how "realistic" it is i thought you can only use the MLE on one guy. can you split it up?


Yes you can split the MLE to multiple players.
I can see Kenyon Martin going here for less, since he was teammates with melo and billups add to that he gets to play alongside Amare. Anthony Parker is not getting any younger and the cavs are not going anywhere so he might go to a contender. What better team to go to were he is in the position to win it all plus being the starting 2 guard of the team.

Yup, you're right. From wikipedia:

Once a year, teams are allowed to sign a player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[2] The MLE is $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.[3]


i agree about the need for depth. was thinking about KMart the other day. he's a good post defender and a tough, takes no s*it type of player. mike redd obviously would fit well too.

is MDA gonna play more than 8 players? that is the question.

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5/7/2011  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/7/2011  11:17 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:how was jerome jordan in college? can anyone describe his game? because im not willing to spend the whole MLE on dalembert. Id rather sign veterans(anthony parker, Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd,Jrich, Grant Hill) than him. We need Depth!!! people DEPTH and Playoff Experience. We just looked flat out scared during the first round.

Now a Kenyon Martin/Turiaf/Jordan
Stat/Faried/ Shawne Williams
Carmelo/ Shawne Williams/Fields
Anthony Parker/Fields/Billups
Billups/Douglas/carter

Thats a Solid 12 man lineup add: Walker,Brown,Rautins as our Injury reserves

this line up is realistic and can make us contenders

i'm not sure how "realistic" it is i thought you can only use the MLE on one guy. can you split it up?


Yes you can split the MLE to multiple players.
I can see Kenyon Martin going here for less, since he was teammates with melo and billups add to that he gets to play alongside Amare. Anthony Parker is not getting any younger and the cavs are not going anywhere so he might go to a contender. What better team to go to were he is in the position to win it all plus being the starting 2 guard of the team.

Yup, you're right. From wikipedia:

Once a year, teams are allowed to sign a player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[2] The MLE is $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.[3]


i agree about the need for depth. was thinking about KMart the other day. he's a good post defender and a tough, takes no s*it type of player. mike redd obviously would fit well too.

is MDA gonna play more than 8 players? that is the question.

I think MDA showed us at the end of last season that he can play more than 8 guys... during the early parts of the season we had no consistent guy who can produce off the bench aside from douglas and chandler, so he had to max out the mins of AMARE... he could have played randolph but maybe he was not showing enough in practice or he has low bb iq

Thats what i like about K-MART he shows toughness and cares about playing D imagine if his defensive intensity rubs off to AMARE then with Faried off the bench our Frontline will never be soft. But yes, we will be undersized but not soft.

Michael Redd is nice but i still consider Anthony Parker a higher priority than him, Redd's injuries have been really brutal not sure he can handle 82 games plus lets say 30 mins a night. Anthony Parker gives us outside shooting, defense and he is a good locker room presence.
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5/7/2011  11:20 AM
yea i like KMart a lot, he'd be a real nice fit. we certainly woudln't have been pushed around like we were v. the c's if kmart was on our front line. the guy's a menace.

i'd prefer undersized and tough to having size and a bunch of soft players.

i think our main weaknesses this offseason are rebounding, toughness, and defense -- in any and all sizes!

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5/7/2011  11:41 AM
I think we have a legit chance to get Faried. WHY? because there are few teams that need depth upfront, the only team i see drafting faried is Milwaukee, Suns,warriors and Pacers.

I think the warriors wont draft him since they have david lee, Amoundson,Udoh,Biendries and amoundson
The suns might draft him but with their acquisition of Gortat they dont want two liabilities on offense
The pacers, is the team who can draft him, if Jeff foster does not resign or Josh mcroberts but lets see
The bucks might draft him, but with sanders and gooden coming back? I guess not

our only competition is the pacers. Lets just hope they get one of the morris twins
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5/8/2011  3:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2011  3:38 PM
I just finished looking at video of Faried. The dude looks like a slightly bigger Balkman to me. I really worry that he does not have the offensive game to work in MDA's system. Dude has no jumpshot. I am not opposed to drafting him, because we need a Balkman-type player who is actually going to commit to improving his game (Balkman never really pushed to improve his game), but I worry that this kid is too limited offensively. If he were 6'10 and could play center, then I think we would have to take him, but this guy is undersized for a PF, there is no way he could play center. I would rather take a chance on a Jackson or Darius Morris, but I would not be too upset if we got Faried. He could turn into Dennis Rodman if he can add about 10 ibs of muscle. Hopefully, he can develop a jumpshot.
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