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2 for 1: Looking like Walsh will stay and MDA will be pushed to hire a defensive coach or shake up his staff
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unstopaball12
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4/29/2011  11:39 AM
i'd say no to mark jackson; he looks like a douchebag who will make people look bad if things are not going right
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4/29/2011  11:41 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:i'd say no to mark jackson; he looks like a douchebag who will make people look bad if things are not going right

this is the new york, we have the media to make people look bad if things are not going right.

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4/29/2011  11:55 AM
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crzymdups wrote:i'm starting to think that the people who think d'antoni is going to work here are like the folks who thought eddy curry was going to work here.

d'antoni's staff isn't the problem, just like curry's weight wasn't the real problem. the real problem was eddy. just like now the real problem is d'antoni.

his ego is too damn big and i think there's going to be an ugly clash with melo (or possibly billups) next season - another guy with a big ego. i wonder whose side everyone will choose when that happens?

i'm glad donnie is patient, but i think even he'll realize that mike isn't the right coach for this team anymore.

i thought d'antoni did a good job of putting his EGO aside and tweaking his system to better suit chauncey and carmelo. as godsavetheknicks posted that JVG article, apparently he thinks he did a good job too.

i try to see things from multiple perspectives before passing judgement on a man who is doing a tough job that i, for one, wouldn't be able to do anywhere near as well. it's easy to see how fans get frustrated with his seeming love for certain players and his unwillingness to let others even sniff the court. i wanted to see derrick brown at some point in games 3 and 4. i can see how someone could say "dance with the ones that brought you there" and say putting in a player who had very little time on the court with everyone else being a panic move.

loving the playoffs still but can't wait for the offseason to see what Donnie does and for a full season of Chauncey/Landry/Melo/Amare/________

+ improved Shawne Williams, a JJ Redick like Andy Rautins (remember when Redick looked completely useless?) , and a completely healthy Turiaf ( who thinks he turns down $4M and looks elsewhere?)

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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4/29/2011  12:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2011  12:12 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:will never work. you're gonna take an egotist and publically humiliate him by making him accept a virtual "co-coach" because of a public unveiling of his deficiencies? good f'n luck.

Exactly. Walsh cant even force D'Antoni to play certain players. I doubt he will force him to actually use a defensive coach.

Unfortunately this is what happens when mulligans and excuses run their course. D'AnToni pretty much has no choice. Funny thing is fans were saying D'AnToni and Dolan were birds of the same feather but now it appears that may not be the case. If he caves to the defensive nudging..... means the organization isn't exactly thrilled with his total approach to coaching which agrees with D'AnToni's detractors. I can see some shady things happening if they don't find a good mix for him. The Lawrence Frank hiring wouldn't be a move with a singular priority, that's a dual motive move. Put 2 and 2 together if accomplished. Not sure if he leaves Boston though if they win it all or get to the Finals. Lawrence Frank is regarded as one of the most PREPARED coaches in the NBA. Talk about New York State of Shock if hired and he comes here witnessing the coaching culture

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4/29/2011  12:10 PM
Marv wrote:
Panos wrote:I think Walsh will bring in a defensive assistant, but he'll immediately make it into 'Antoni's doghouse, and never get off the bench.
Walsh will then be forced to trade him for a second rounder.


"yea i use defensive assistants. GOOD defensive assistants."

Awesome!

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4/29/2011  12:17 PM
The only problem with hiring a defensive assistant is ultimately, MDA is going to go with the guys he wants to.

Yes, an improved scheme would help. But, I think there are times where going with a player like Shelden Williams vs. a Jared Jefferies will help as far as defense & rebounding, but MDA won't tolerate because it will slow down his offense.

I do agree it seems that for the first time ever during his stay here in NY, MDA did alter what he tried to do, and if Walsh can break him and turn him into a new man, he might become an amazing coach.

Not holding my breath, though.

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4/29/2011  12:25 PM
If a defensive assistant is going to come in the first thing that he is gonna want is a legit center. MDA is going to flip saying no my offense needs a pf playing center so I can get the most out of my offense. Any good defense require a good center to anchor the defense. Look at all the teams remaining in the playoffs see what they have going for them. If Atlanta found a way to utilize an over the hill Jason Collins to play Howard they probably don't get past Orlando. MDA doesn't appreciate centers the worst thing that could have ever happened was Boris Diaw.
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4/29/2011  12:30 PM
This team doesn't need assistance with defense. It needs defense to be the top priority so our star duo can take the next step in their careers.
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4/29/2011  12:41 PM
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Silverfuel wrote:Why don't they concentrate on getting us a PG and a C and let the coach handle the coaching. Give him a year with a good team without messing with him or his system.

I definitely want a young PG to be groomed and a center that can intimidate and rebound. I wouldn't wait on D'Ant to change cause nothing in his past suggest he will. IMO we couldn't play man on man defense against the Cs in part cause it was never emphasiszed during the season. When stops were needed we were playing defense in another zip code.

we're 1 year away from the Dwight Howard/CP3 sweepstakes.....not holding my breath, but it would be crazy to hear Howard and Paul say...."Stat, let's do this...sign me up one year...:)

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4/29/2011  1:01 PM
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s3231 wrote:Not that I mind if we bring in a defensive coach to help D'Antoni b/c I think our group of assistants collectively are below average, but it seems like a weird time to force this. I mean, for anyone to think that the defense would have been good this year after all of the personnel changes and the fact that our core players aren't known for their defense is extremely far fetched. Hell, the main reason for getting swept in the playoffs was not defense.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing D'Antoni get a fair shot considering we have handicapped ourselves from adding talent to save cap space for the past several years. Add to that the constant roster changes and I don't see how any coach could have gotten the group of guys we had to play good D consistently.

Again, I won't complain at all if we bring in another coach to help with D but it seems like a weird time to force this (vs. when Kerr did it which was more legitimate in my mind).

i think that certain people were likely quite concerned about what they witnessed in the defensive schemes of the team in the playoffs as well as the feedback from the players.

I understand that but those same defensive schemes should have gotten us a game 1 win if not for incompetent refs and we also played good D in game 2 as well.

I mean at the end of the day, you can have the best defensive schemes in the world but is Jared Jeffries going to stop Pierce, Garnett, Allen, and Rondo? We don't have enough defensive players right now to stop anyone as our interior D is non-existent. Talent wins and we didn't have enough of it to beat Boston considering 2 of our top guys were non-existent for a majority of the playoffs. If we got swept at full strength, then I'd be a bit worried but I strongly believe it would have been a different series if our main guys were healthy (and refs stealing game 1 certainly didn't help our psyche).

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4/29/2011  1:10 PM
crzymdups wrote:i'm starting to think that the people who think d'antoni is going to work here are like the folks who thought eddy curry was going to work here.

d'antoni's staff isn't the problem, just like curry's weight wasn't the real problem. the real problem was eddy. just like now the real problem is d'antoni.

his ego is too damn big and i think there's going to be an ugly clash with melo (or possibly billups) next season - another guy with a big ego. i wonder whose side everyone will choose when that happens?

i'm glad donnie is patient, but i think even he'll realize that mike isn't the right coach for this team anymore.

That is not a fair comparison at all. Curry had complete control of his destiny and could have made his return to the NBA if he worked hard and stayed in shape.

What control did D'Antoni have over the constant trades, personnel changes, malcontents to deal with? I mean seriously, this past season is the 1st season Walsh gave him enough talent to make the playoffs and D'Antoni got the job done. Does anyone here seriously hate D'Antoni because he couldn't make us a contending team when Chris Duhon was our starting PG?

I'm a Knicks fan first and foremost so if D'Antoni eventually gets fired, I will continue to cheer my Knicks as I always do. With that said, I'd like to see the guy at least get a fair shot first because I do think he is a very good coach and I don't want to see my Knicks get rid of a coach like this without bringing in someone better (and I don't currently see a better coach out there on the market). I mean, I think the guy has done a decent job given the circumstances he has had to deal with and Donnie Walsh seems to agree.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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4/29/2011  1:16 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Upon futher thought I figure this is Dolan's way of getting D'Antoni to quit so we wont have to pay him 6 million next year.

In this economy, nobody leaves money on the table. If Mike starts to slip during the season, then that defensive coach will become the interim coach, as none of the assistants have clearly established themselves. With this constant craving of names, look for them to make a splash at the coach's slot in 2012.

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4/29/2011  1:19 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Upon futher thought I figure this is Dolan's way of getting D'Antoni to quit so we wont have to pay him 6 million next year.

In this economy, nobody leaves money on the table. If Mike starts to slip during the season, then that defensive coach will become the interim coach, as none of the assistants have clearly established themselves. With this constant craving of names, look for them to make a splash at the coach's slot in 2012.

He can get a job in Golden State. The issue is how much money will they pay him a year.

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4/29/2011  1:42 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:This team doesn't need assistance with defense. It needs defense to be the top priority so our star duo can take the next step in their careers.

so a career step like Nash took from Dallas to Pho, that would e crap right? Say 2 trips to the ECF finals in next couple years?
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4/29/2011  1:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:This team doesn't need assistance with defense. It needs defense to be the top priority so our star duo can take the next step in their careers.

so a career step like Nash took from Dallas to Pho, that would e crap right? Say 2 trips to the ECF finals in next couple years?

Yeah but what has he really done?

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4/29/2011  1:49 PM

MDA is GS is SSOL, thats SIX seconds or less!

Maybe MDA thinks having better execution of the defense is a good idea?

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4/29/2011  1:49 PM
D'antoni helping Nash to get 2 MVPs is an individual accomplishment.

I'm more interested in the team concept.

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4/29/2011  1:52 PM
I thought D'Antoni was a mighty fine defensive coach? This can't be right. Fire Donnie.
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4/29/2011  1:58 PM
Nalod wrote:
MDA is GS is SSOL, thats SIX seconds or less!

Maybe MDA thinks having better execution of the defense is a good idea?

Between Curry, Lee, and Ellis, GS would average 150 points a game with D'Antoni as a coach.. They'd also let up around 160, but it'd sure be fun to watch

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4/29/2011  2:15 PM
The problem isn't defensive schemes. It's all about the strengths of the players you have. Why do so many seem to ignore the fact that our star PF/C is an absent minded defender and always has been? Then we send away our best wing defenders and bring in another Star that is known only for his offense. Still when it came time for the playoffs the team was ready to defend, but just couldn't stay healthy enough to pull out a win.

The team simply wanted to defend and so they did. They were all more focused in and took it more seriously. Still if we had a rebounder inside all year this team would've been a much higher seed. The problem we have is a lack of good size and rebounding. Once we solve that this team will be ready to win. Look at what OKC and Dallas did to improve their size and how that boosted their teams defensive ability.

You could run the exact same defensive schemes next year but if you have D. Howard in there it would be a whole different story! It's about the players.

2 for 1: Looking like Walsh will stay and MDA will be pushed to hire a defensive coach or shake up his staff

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