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Simple difference between Toney Douglas and Anthony Carter's D on Rondo
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SupremeCommander
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4/28/2011  12:46 PM
(I think it was Kevin McHale that said this:) Rondo's biggest weakness, in a way, becomes his a huge asset. Because guys lay off him, he can get the head of steam, but it also opens up the passing lanes. Yeah, you'd prefer to have Rondo shoot, but playing guys with that much buffer is a huge mistake. Whenever a team goes into "the prevent defense" it usually ends up becoming a huge mistake
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4/28/2011  1:07 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:(I think it was Kevin McHale that said this:) Rondo's biggest weakness, in a way, becomes his a huge asset. Because guys lay off him, he can get the head of steam, but it also opens up the passing lanes. Yeah, you'd prefer to have Rondo shoot, but playing guys with that much buffer is a huge mistake. Whenever a team goes into "the prevent defense" it usually ends up becoming a huge mistake
Rondo's game has a hole in it, but it doesnt change the fact that he's a great player and 10x the player that AC or Douglas are right now. If there was some simple way of stopping Rondo he wouldnt be a great player.

People here over simplify a little too much. Rondo cant shoot jumpers, so make him shoot jumpers. If we cant do this it must be poor coaching right? Pa-leeze

Here's a heads up: He's no doubt been dealing with that scouting report since puberty, so he's got a pretty solid plan for dealing with that strategy, and because he's a hell of a player he's going to find a way to beat you. Just because a player has a hole in his game (most do) doesnt mean its exploitable all the time.

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4/28/2011  2:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/28/2011  2:39 PM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:(I think it was Kevin McHale that said this:) Rondo's biggest weakness, in a way, becomes his a huge asset. Because guys lay off him, he can get the head of steam, but it also opens up the passing lanes. Yeah, you'd prefer to have Rondo shoot, but playing guys with that much buffer is a huge mistake. Whenever a team goes into "the prevent defense" it usually ends up becoming a huge mistake
Rondo's game has a hole in it, but it doesnt change the fact that he's a great player and 10x the player that AC or Douglas are right now. If there was some simple way of stopping Rondo he wouldnt be a great player.

People here over simplify a little too much. Rondo cant shoot jumpers, so make him shoot jumpers. If we cant do this it must be poor coaching right? Pa-leeze

Here's a heads up: He's no doubt been dealing with that scouting report since puberty, so he's got a pretty solid plan for dealing with that strategy, and because he's a hell of a player he's going to find a way to beat you. Just because a player has a hole in his game (most do) doesnt mean its exploitable all the time.

Actually a way you can make things difficult is playing ball denial or trapping him out high forcing him to give the ball up. Once this is done stay on him as if he's Ray Allen and let someone else bear the load of running the Celtic offense at least for more possessions. I agree Rondo is a very good player, if he's not doing an excellent job orchestrating he's playing very good defense and crashing the board.

His critics always love to talk about how he can't shoot and that he plays with 3 HOFrs but never discuss how good of a defensive player he is nor rebounder from his position and his numbers tend to increase in the playoffs including his shooting

Regardless we had no real scheme on him from Game 1 to 4 which is pathetic. Now 2yrs ago we tried to sick Effries on him, which is an actual game plan the problem we had then he'd blow by Effries to the cup with nobody manning the paint. Say we implore the same type of scheme except with Williams guarding him and funneling him to Turiaf/Stat that's a little more difficult as you're pressuring him with a big into a big into a big. The more you trap and deny Rondo means less ball movement and dribbling between and around our D and more one-on-one play from Pierce/Allen/Garnett<---------I'd prefer this strategy over that disasster coaching scheme we saw for 4gms.

Advanced Scouting comes into play here you know something we were also extremely weak at until like latter 2010(still questionable). Go pull up Team Defensive statistics against Rondo and see who he performed weakest against and study the various schemes applied and mimic them to whatever degree necessary.

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4/28/2011  2:54 PM
^ trapping Rondo out high? And leave who open? a HOF shooter? Especially knowing the Knicks have zero interior defense to block the rim?
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4/28/2011  2:55 PM
martin wrote:^ trapping Rondo out high? And leave who open? a HOF shooter? Especially knowing the Knicks have zero interior defense to block the rim?
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4/28/2011  4:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/28/2011  4:52 PM
martin wrote:^ trapping Rondo out high? And leave who open? a HOF shooter? Especially knowing the Knicks have zero interior defense to block the rim?

The man to trap is whoever isn't guarding Ray/Pierce/Garnett...You know maybe Jermain O'neal's man or you know maybe Jeff Green's man or you know maybe Glen Davis's man but keep thinking the option we chose to go with was the only one considering every core player got off in the series. It's not like they played all 48minutes or even 36minutes together(whatever they averaged)...... which means we could trap as needed when necessary.

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4/28/2011  10:23 PM
Carter and Tony against Rondo... Filds on Ray... How this can work?
It is even worth that D-lague team against NBA team.
Both Tony and Carter can play 10-15 min backup for SG and PG respectively on team with short bench and that's about it.
What this has to do with coaching?
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Simple difference between Toney Douglas and Anthony Carter's D on Rondo

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