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GodSaveTheKnicks
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4/26/2011  6:50 PM
Maybe MDA has it right. We can't compete with the contenders frontcourt so let's just outrun the other team.

All we need is a guy like Shawn Marion who can guard bigger players and not get killed/need a double to help every time
So just clone Shawn Marion and bam. Defensive problem solved.

Watching the Dallas Portland game and the OKC Denver game could make Knicks fans go crazy. How do these teams find 7 serviceable bigs between them and we have.. 1..maybe 1.5

Playoff teams and their bigs aka things that make us envious:

East

Boston: KG, Baby, Jermaine O Neal, Krstic
Bulls: Boozer, Noah, Dirty Kurty, Gibson, Asik
Atlanta: Smith, Horford, Collins, Zaza
Orlando: Howard, Bass, Ryan Anderson
Pacers: Psycho T, McRoberts, Hibbert, Foster

Miami: Lebron, Bosh, Pupu platter
Philly: Brand, Hawes
Knicks: Amare, Ared Efferies, Shawne Williams (kinda?), the invisible Shelden Williams, Turiaf


West

Lakers: Artest, Gasol, Bynum, Odom
Memphis: Gasol, ZBo, Arthur
OKC: Ibaka, Perkins, Collison, Nazr Mo
Portland: Aldridge, Gerald Wallace, Camby
Dallas: Dirk, Chandler, Haywood, Marion
Spurs: Duncan, McDyess, Blair
Hornets (when healthy): West, Okafor, Landry, the previously invisible Aaron Gray,
Denver: Nene, KMart, Birdman, kinda: Harrington, Gallo

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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4/26/2011  7:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/26/2011  7:09 PM
Productive and durable players 6'10.25 or taller

Knicks: none

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4/27/2011  7:53 AM
umynot wrote:I think our first move is extending Walsh

Then picking Up Chauncey's final year...... I know not everyone likes Chuancey but his 14 million Expiring
Contract is a HUGE asset regardless if he plays another meaningful minute for us!
I think Billups and his 14 mil will bring us our 3rd piece in 3way with Denver

I could be wrong but I really believe it was pre - Arranged that Billups retires in Denver


If say Billups and pieces like TD and Walker can get us CP3 then we need do draft REBOUNDS!!

Or sign a Reggie Evans type

Our biggest hole is at Center and Evans doesnt help but he Could guard C better then Amare and Turiaf
combined

We need a rebounder in the worst way!

Now after that our needs become a bench guy or 2 since only really plays 8 or nine guys no matter what
but I say go after Mayo hard.

I think he is restricted FA right?

I say since we re up Billups and are over cap offer Mayo Mid Level and 5 years and Lock this kid up!!

I been a Mayo fan since his High School days and I truly believe this Kid is gonna blow up on next team!!

I also believe he would be perfect in this Offense with guys like Amare and Melo


If we can get Mayo Fields goes to bench and makes bench stronger and takes pressure off of him.

Then we look like this.....

Billups or Whoever he is traded for.
Mayo
Melo
Amare
REBOUNDER ( Hopefully through Draft )

Bench:
Fields
Turiaf
Shawne Williams
?
?

I like some of the ideas. After thinking about it, we need to keep Billups simply because there aren't better options. He is a proven PG who will get the job done when healthy. If the possibility to get Nash for him is there we must do it, but i think next season we end up with Nash anyways and split the PG duties between both aging PGs.

As for this season, i think we use our draft pick to get the best value possible. I'm thinking 17th pick and Turiaf on draft night for OJ Mayo is a great option. Memphis has an overload at SG and could use Turiaf as insurance at the center position for one season, plus the draft pick will give them options. We would add the SG who can shoot and create shots that we are definitely missing in the playoffs. I am sick of seeing Walker and Mason trying to make things happen.

Lastly, we need to use our mid level (hopefully we have it) to fix the center problem. There are actually some pretty good options, starting with DeAndre Jordan and Dalembert that we can go after. And of course we will bring over Jerome Jordan as well.

C D Jordan or Dalembert, J Jordan
PF Stoudemire, Jeffries
SF Anthony, S Williams
SG Mayo, Fields, Rautins
PG Billups, Douglas, Carter

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4/27/2011  10:32 AM
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Here is my To-Do list

1. Sign Tyson Chandler for 4 years at $10M per year. This will mean he is married to Melo and Amare for those 4 years. Rolling the dice that all 3 will be healthy in those 4 years.
2. Draft a PG this summer. Hopefully Jimmer or Kemba falls to 17. If not then take a 6'10"+ player and buy a late 1st or early 2nd rounder and draft Ben Hansborough. I really like the kid.
3. Keep Billups. He can serve as mentor to the new PG coming in that we draft.
4. Get another 6'5"+ SG that can shoot and defend. Battier?
5. Keep Shawne Williams.

I like this list. But salary cap restrictions?

If it is not cap friendly then we would need to let Billups go. Anthony Carter needs to be resigned for 2 years until the young PG is ready to take the helm.

if you let Billups walk, Knicks will be at $50M. Cap will be $58-60m?

I was thinking about this some more and I posted some of it in the Wilson Chandler thread...but here it goes...

Your guesstimate that cap next year is around $58M to $60M. Let's say it is $60M. We waive Bill Walker then our cap is $44.5M. We can sign him to $10M per year at 4 years. That is more than the MLE that Dallas can use. That leaves us with a cap of $54.5 for next year. We can even backload the contract and have the first year be $8M to give us $52.5M. Gives us roughly $8M more to make other moves.

Sign Shawne at $2M per year for 3 years. That leaves us with $6M left.

Battier is making $7.3M this year. This is the kicker. I think we need to let Billups go to replinish what we lost. Billups makes $14.2M next year. So that will give us $20.2M left. Sign Battier at $7M for 3 years. That leaves us with $13.2M in CAP space.

Sign Anthony Carter for $1.2M for 2 years. This leaves us with $12M in CAP space.

The cap hold I think for a #17 pick is $1.7M since last year the #17 pick got $1.5M in the first year. So that leaves us with $10.3M. A late pick last year aroun the #25-#30 is about $1M. Let's say it is around $1.2M for this year. That leaves us with $9.1M.

Sign Jerome Jordan for $0.4M per year for 3 years. That leaves us with $8.7M.

Jose Barea is a UFA. He made $1.8M this year. Let's sign him for $2M for 2 years. That leaves us with $6.7M.

We can buy a couple more picks to round out the roster. We also use TD and Fields as trade chips. We need to use these assets to get 6'10" rebounding and defensive players.

Right now this is what it would look.

C-Tyson Chandler
PF-Amare
SF-Melo
SG-Battier
PG-Kemba/Jimmer/Hansborough

Bench - Anthony Carter, Shawne Williams, Jerome Jordan, Barea, 2 6'10"+ players.

The jist is, we would need to let Billups go to get more players. Sucks but we have no choice.

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4/27/2011  10:41 AM
Kemba is going to be a top 5 pick. No chance in getting him. No chance of getting Tyson Chandler either.
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NYKBocker
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4/27/2011  10:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:Kemba is going to be a top 5 pick. No chance in getting him. No chance of getting Tyson Chandler either.

Kemba is all over the mock drafts. I would be happy with either Kemba, Jimmer or Hansborough.

I don't know about Tyson. I think we have a chance.

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4/27/2011  11:17 AM
NYKBocker: Billy Walker made like $900K this past season.

This is where I am getting #s: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

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4/27/2011  11:33 AM
Here is a good recap of salary situation:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055/the-billups-decision-looms-for-knicks-1.2841824

The Billups Decision looms for Knicks

With all signs pointing to stability at the top of the franchise, anticipating Donnie Walsh remaining in place as team president, let's take a look at the Knicks as they go into the offseason:

Guaranteed salaries for 2011-12 season

Carmelo Anthony: $18,518,574

Amar'e Stoudemire: $18,217,705

Chauncey Billups: $14,200,00-*

Renaldo Balkman: $1,675,000

Toney Douglas: $1,145,640

Bill Walker: $916,000

Total guaranteed: $54,673,019

*-Team can waive Billups by Friday for a $3.7 million buyout. If they choose to, the total guaranteed sum, including the buyout number, would reduce to $44,173,019.

Non-guaranteed salaries for 2011-12 season

Landry Fields: $788,872

Andy Rautins: $788,872

Options:

Ronny Turiaf: $4,360,000 (player option)

Draft picks

No. 17 overall: $1,306,600 (rookie scale)

Let's assume the Knicks want to keep Fields, but Rautins may be a casualty of roster spots, experience and finances, especially with the first round pick on deck. Let's also assume Turiaf picks up his option, because with the uncertainty of what the new collective bargaining agreement will bring, it makes sense to lock in your money while you can.

That would give the Knicks, if Billups remains, eight players and a first round selection under contract come July 1 (or whenever a lockout ends) for a total of $61,124,491. Even if the current system remained in place, the Knicks would be a few million over the cap. Now you can get some of that back by dealing Balkman to someone for a second round pick, with $3 million cash to basically pay for his contract. But that's not going to get you much room to work with in free agency, let alone signing back a few of your own players, such as Shawne Williams.

If the Knicks waive Billups, you're looking at a $50,624,491 payroll, which would open up a little more than $8 million in cap space under the current system. But it's impossible to speculate where that would put the Knicks under a new system because we don't know what it will be. Some reports have suggested an NBA hard cap would start around $45 million, which, of course, would mean the league would have to also include a rollback of all current contract so teams such as the Knicks (and Lakers, and Celtics and Heat, etc.) can fit and operate a full roster under that kind of a system.

Regardless, by waiving Billups you save $10.5 million and potentially open up some cap space. But in the process you also create a new hole to fill on the roster. The most critical need is at center, but when you're building a championship-caliber team, you don't go after a low-rent player just to plug a hole while creating another one.

There is a bit of a risk here, but one possible way around the 2011 cap space issue is to waive Billups now with a wink and a nod that you will sign him to a multi-year deal that makes up the money over time.

Looking at it logically, with Stoudemire and Anthony, you have about a four to five year window to win a championship while both are in their primes. Billups will be 35 at the start of next season and his presence is vital. If you let him walk just to save money, who are you replacing him with? T.J. Ford? Sebastian Telfair? Delonte West?

The Chris Paul/Deron Williams possibility remains in 2012 and perhaps if one of them, more likely Paul, is willing to follow Carmelo's script this offseason and force a trade, then obviously the best plan is to keep Billups at his bigger number and have him as a valuable expiring contract to use in a deal with New Orleans (you also had better find more assets, toute de suite, because Landry Fields is not going to cut it).

But let's consider what self-appointed assistant GM Carmelo Anthony said on Monday about the need for more star players on this roster:

"I don't really think we need stars. We have a good base with what we have with me and Amar'e and you go from there. You build off there."

In other words, hey that toast was great, CP, but we good here now.

Waiting another year doesn't appear to be an amenable option anymore. And after investing $165 million in two players, bringing in a cheap, inexperienced point guard to run the row is even less appealing.

Billups may have been working for his own cause here, but he made a great closing argument about his return:

"Quite frankly, I think it’s important to have someone at the position – especially playing with Amar'e and Melo – who has won and they have to respect the body of work. Because those two guys are Alpha males and if you are a young player you can feel dominated, but they know they can’t do that with me."

The center position needs to be the priority and some assistance from Billups via the buyout/re-sign for less in July scenario (Collusion? What collusion? He likes New York! *weak smile*), the Knicks may have a few bucks to go get one via free agency.

But, again, a new CBA still has to be drawn up and agreed upon before we can make any educated suggestions. Will the mid-level exception survive in the new system? If so, the Knicks can take advantage of that to go after a DeAndre Jordan or Marc Gasol, two restricted free agents who most likely will be kept by their "home" teams.

The problem is, the Knicks can't wait to see what the new CBA will bring to set up their strategy for the offseason. They have to make that pivotal decision on Billups by Friday.

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4/27/2011  11:42 AM
If the NBA moves to a hard cap then it will be set pretty high.

Setting hard caps isn't going to help to keep big stars when they can earn more marketing dollars in larger markets.

I see the players agreeing to shorter deals which means more non-guaranteed cash. Funny thing is shorter deals hurt smaller market teams with stars.

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4/27/2011  11:52 AM
I was in the process of editing my other thread with links but I didn't want to include Isola as the only link.

If a thread requires some detail in putting sources together along with text I'll usually start the thread then go back and add depth to the post. I was gathering info from 3 articles plus past articles at the time of Walsh's hire. I get timed out on the site when creating long post and have to log back in copy and paste. Somewhat of a pain. I also forget once you mess up a word in the original thread pretty much can't go back and edit it.

After the first couple responses no need now, although I was thinking of deleting and starting over. I've always questioned the Autonomy from our President/GM

As far as our Cap situation we do not have any real flexibility unless we want to give up more during the draft. If the Hard Cap goes down even more a problem unless it comes with no Tax ramifications

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4/27/2011  2:12 PM
Juice wrote:I was in the process of editing my other thread with links but I didn't want to include Isola as the only link.

If a thread requires some detail in putting sources together along with text I'll usually start the thread then go back and add depth to the post. I was gathering info from 3 articles plus past articles at the time of Walsh's hire. I get timed out on the site when creating long post and have to log back in copy and paste. Somewhat of a pain. I also forget once you mess up a word in the original thread pretty much can't go back and edit it.

After the first couple responses no need now, although I was thinking of deleting and starting over. I've always questioned the Autonomy from our President/GM

As far as our Cap situation we do not have any real flexibility unless we want to give up more during the draft. If the Hard Cap goes down even more a problem unless it comes with no Tax ramifications

I have absolutely no problem putting a link in my posts before I hit the "post new reply/thread" button.

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4/27/2011  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2011  2:23 PM
AnubisADL wrote:If the NBA moves to a hard cap then it will be set pretty high.

Setting hard caps isn't going to help to keep big stars when they can earn more marketing dollars in larger markets.

I see the players agreeing to shorter deals which means more non-guaranteed cash. Funny thing is shorter deals hurt smaller market teams with stars.

This I agree with - a hard cap could actually help the Knicks. Hard cap would probably be in the neighborhood of $65M or so. Too many teams are WAY over the cap and would have to waive/buy out guys or restructure.

Here's a list of teams that were over the "soft cap" of $58M this season:

Team Payrolls

1. Los Angeles Lakers 	  	$91,645,878
2. Dallas Mavericks $90,764,633
3. Orlando Magic $89,139,596
4. Boston Celtics $83,330,756
5. Utah Jazz $74,109,205
6. Houston Rockets $72,758,481
7. Atlanta Hawks $70,927,923
8. Portland Trail Blazers $70,523,987
9. Memphis Grizzlies $70,008,317
10. Milwaukee Bucks $69,757,069
11. San Antonio Spurs $69,704,628
12. Philadelphia 76ers $69,585,609
13. Toronto Raptors $69,504,845
14. New Orleans Hornets $68,551,075
15. Golden State Warriors $68,040,204
16. New York Knicks $67,327,114
17. Miami Heat $66,949,192
18. Charlotte Bobcats $66,846,401
19. Detroit Pistons $65,917,821
20. Denver Nuggets $65,870,893
21. Phoenix Suns $65,738,834
22. Indiana Pacers $64,368,421
23. Washington Wizards $59,694,942
24. New Jersey Nets $59,508,407

edit: really interesting thing about that list -

If you add up the amount by which those 24 teams are over the cap, not their whole cap, just the amount they are over, it adds up to about $310 million dollars. The NBA is $310 Million over the cap. David Stern is claiming that the league lost $300 million dollars this year. Coincidence?

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4/28/2011  8:40 AM
Most realistic plan:

Keep Walker(as Fields insurance, one of them can be a starting 2), Shawne (modern day Derrick McKey), Carter(vet min.), Jefferies (vet min.) Sheldon(vet min).
Bring over Jerome Jordan.
Draft a Faried
Buy a late 1st
Draft Jordan Williams

Trade Balkman and $3 mil for a future 2nd(as suggested before)
Rid the roster of Rautins

Turiaf/JJordan/JWilliams
Amare/Faried/Sheldon
Carmelo/Shawne/JJefferies
Walker-better fit/Fields
Chauncey/Douglas/Carter

That is 14. Alot of size. At least one young center should emerge.

If it is not just talk I am on board with Chauncey back to Denver for Ray and Wil.

Main thing. Unless it is for Deron or Howard NO MID SEASON TRADES!

If you are gonna trade for Felton do it early. If at all possible keep as little upheavel during the season as you can.

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