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nixluva
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4/25/2011  1:39 PM
SSOL got to the WCF's twice and last year with PHX they had another good run. What u need is better PG and better bigs. The trick is to keep brining in solid 2 way players to upgrade the roster. Guys like Battier. I like the potential of Deandre Jordan. Kaman when healthy is a perfect fit. We don't want to play 4 on 5 all the time so you want bigs that can at least finish and have a little offensive game.
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4/25/2011  2:03 PM
If we buy out Billups how much cash does that leave the Knicks to spend? We need to get Turiaf and his 4.5MM off the books to really upgrade the roster

We need 6-8MM for Deandre Jordan or 5M for the Vanilla Gorilla
We need 4-5MM for Battier or 2-3MM for Grant Hill
And Likely 2MM for someone like TJ Ford

800k-1MM for TD
1-2MM for Shawne Williams

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4/25/2011  2:11 PM
I think the cupboard is pretty bare at PG. I don't like any of those guys but I guess Ford is the best of that bunch. I wouldn't take him if mda is around as he would never get any burn. If Detroit doesn't want him I would see if we could get Stuckey on the cheap though I doubt we could without taking on contract. He's not a true point though either.

If we traded fields. RIchardson or Hill woiuld be good options.

We have some options at center.Jordan would be a tough get, but ideal. I would take a chance on Oden. We could probbaly get him for very little. Joe P could be a good fit for us too. No way CHandler leaves Dllas unfortunately.

MS wrote:I think it goes without saying the Knicks are going to pick up Walker at under $1MM and Williams will be back. Jordan is the guy I really want and I think can be had with the Clippers locked into Kaman. If not Gray and Nazr are cheap options that can fill a needs. I would like to see Grant Hill here as well. Landry is playing his way into a big contrac but his toughness is something we really need.

I think the below list is what Walsh is going to go after. Billups needs to be bought out in order to make this team playoff worthy. Hopefully Ronny opts out and free up some additional cap room.

Point Guard
T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers - $8.5 million – Unrestricted

SG
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted (sign for 1MM veteran minimum)
Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted

SF
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted (Could be the value play longterm to get him on the cheap)
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted

PF
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks - $12.6 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats - $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million - Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers - $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers - $6.7 million - Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Charlotte Bobcats - $6.9 million – Unrestricted
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)

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4/25/2011  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2011  5:55 PM
1. Bring back Scott Layden and apologize. It wasn't his fault.
2. Bring back Eisley, Weatherspoon, Anderson, et al.
3. Set the date back to 7/24/2001
4. Join Ultimateknicks web site
5. Lather, rinse, repeat
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4/25/2011  7:00 PM
martin wrote:The big question: does the GM sign any new players beyond a 1 year deal? Or hold off for a better FA pool?

My guess is that a majority of the Player Option guys will opt-in because of potential shortened season.

Here's the problem: the Knicks won't have free agent money to offer CP3/Deron/Howard a max contract if the cap goes down like most people think it will, which means they're counting on a guy taking less money (which is a really, really risky play). For that reason I think the Knicks' best play for another superstar is to pick up Billups' option and swing a deal for Paul or Howard that includes Billup's expiring and young assets like Fields and Douglas.

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4/25/2011  7:23 PM
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martin wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:i like Jrich... good 3 point shooter looks like a tough guy... lets see how much will he command, maybe oralando wants to try arenas at the 2 no way will they pay him max money to be a 6th man

Since he is coming of a big contract maybe we can get him for the MLE for 2 years?

I think JRich is good value for a team for the MLE... but perhaps just not in NY.

1) Is JRich just gonna sign for the MLE? I guess there is an underlying assumption that ORL doesn't want him back? Or he can't get more $ someplace else? Dallas needs a SG.
2) Is JRich at $6+m better than developing Fields for another year and waiting to spend FA money on a long term PG or C?

im with you on this. here's the thing - i dont believe we solve either problem this coming year (longterm PG or C) b/c the pool to pick from is pretty weak if you ask me. we all know the big prizes for what we need are 2 yrs out still (dhoward & cp3 or deron) so i believe we must go through another transition year before we get to where we wanna be. so what can we fix now? easy - defensive intensity. get some veteran players that will help get this team to being more defensive minded (a def asst coach would help also). i think dantoni learned a valuable lesson in this year's playoffs - offense dont win games, defense does. the fact that he took a 180 on his SSOL for the playoffs says something to me. so, if he adjusts in the beginning of next year and you see a more defensive minded philosophy, i'm cool witha that. if not, he goes.

for those of us that are realistic in terms of the knicks development, we know that we are still 2 yrs out from making any type of meaningful run to the finals, assuming we get dhoward and cp3/deron). this is why keeping walsh is so important. he will madk smart moves to get us the fillers we need to be competitive and remain cap friendly'ish until its all sorted out before we add the final pieces for the 2012-2013 season.

so, if i were donnie, how would i get us there?

- i would keep melo, amare, but everyone else i would use to make my club better.
- i would keep fields for another year to see if he continues to devleop.
- i would try to pick up shane battier (no evil, you are not the only one who thinks he would be great on this team).
- i would try to land oden on a much reduced contract or pick him up as a one year rental. if he gets hurt, i am in no worse shape than i was before him. or, here's where you can get a deandre jordan or whatever.
- i would try to rid us of chauncey's contract for next year b/c the guy just does not want to be here. do not pick up his option and buy him out for a shade uner $4M then move on.
- if a guy like nash becomes available for cheap or mid season rental, i would do that. i would not commit real money to steve nash b/c it reduces my chances for going after cp3/deron hard when they come up on the block.
- last but not least, i do everything possible to make NY an attractive landing area for dhoward. this guy will not stay in orlando, ESPECIALLY if the hawks continue to tear the magic apart and out of the playoffs this year. i do not believe howard will go to LA as kobe is old and phil jax aint coming back. he would be worse off than he is today in orlando.

so, in 2 yrs, i go to war with:

PG: cp3/deron - we will get one of them.
SG: battier
SF: melo
PF: amear
C: dhoward

that squasd wins a championship. fill in the bench as needed. hopefully fileds will be around to round out my bench as a 6th man. that is a role i see him built for. he is not a starter.

LASTLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY - - - I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD JEOPORDIZE ME GETTING THE AFOREMENTIONED STARTING 5 ON MY ROSTER. no starphucking, no signing anymore bad contracts, etc.


i'm sure that the salary cap and other things come into play, but i am more sure that if donnie does the right things, which he will most likely do, then we will have this line-up. only x factor is howard. but for some reason, i see him out of orlando and quick.


Feel free to explain how muh CP3 and DH would be making in tat scenario.

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4/25/2011  7:29 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:I think the cupboard is pretty bare at PG. I don't like any of those guys but I guess Ford is the best of that bunch. I wouldn't take him if mda is around as he would never get any burn. If Detroit doesn't want him I would see if we could get Stuckey on the cheap though I doubt we could without taking on contract. He's not a true point though either.

If we traded fields. RIchardson or Hill woiuld be good options.

We have some options at center.Jordan would be a tough get, but ideal. I would take a chance on Oden. We could probbaly get him for very little. Joe P could be a good fit for us too. No way CHandler leaves Dllas unfortunately.

MS wrote:I think it goes without saying the Knicks are going to pick up Walker at under $1MM and Williams will be back. Jordan is the guy I really want and I think can be had with the Clippers locked into Kaman. If not Gray and Nazr are cheap options that can fill a needs. I would like to see Grant Hill here as well. Landry is playing his way into a big contrac but his toughness is something we really need.

I think the below list is what Walsh is going to go after. Billups needs to be bought out in order to make this team playoff worthy. Hopefully Ronny opts out and free up some additional cap room.

Point Guard
T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers - $8.5 million – Unrestricted

SG
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted (sign for 1MM veteran minimum)
Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted

SF
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted (Could be the value play longterm to get him on the cheap)
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted

PF
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks - $12.6 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats - $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million - Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers - $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers - $6.7 million - Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Charlotte Bobcats - $6.9 million – Unrestricted
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)

When Dallas exits the first round, Ty Chan will be the man. Lets go get him. I don't watch enough of Jordan does he already play starter minutes? I would want to get Battier, if not I would settle for Gran Hill on teh cheap to coach and mentor Landry. Not a big fan on Ford or any other PG that's what makes this hard for me. We need to draft a starter quality PG, can we buy a high enough pick - or just wait for CP3? I would rather get DH if that's even remotely possible.

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4/25/2011  7:55 PM
y2zipper wrote:
martin wrote:The big question: does the GM sign any new players beyond a 1 year deal? Or hold off for a better FA pool?

My guess is that a majority of the Player Option guys will opt-in because of potential shortened season.

Here's the problem: the Knicks won't have free agent money to offer CP3/Deron/Howard a max contract if the cap goes down like most people think it will, which means they're counting on a guy taking less money (which is a really, really risky play). For that reason I think the Knicks' best play for another superstar is to pick up Billups' option and swing a deal for Paul or Howard that includes Billup's expiring and young assets like Fields and Douglas.

Knicks will have $40M committed next summer. IMHO cap not going down that much such that CP3, Deron, Howard would be out of picture.

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4/25/2011  8:46 PM
I think we need to get Tyson Chandler at all cost.
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4/25/2011  9:22 PM
martin wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
martin wrote:The big question: does the GM sign any new players beyond a 1 year deal? Or hold off for a better FA pool?

My guess is that a majority of the Player Option guys will opt-in because of potential shortened season.

Here's the problem: the Knicks won't have free agent money to offer CP3/Deron/Howard a max contract if the cap goes down like most people think it will, which means they're counting on a guy taking less money (which is a really, really risky play). For that reason I think the Knicks' best play for another superstar is to pick up Billups' option and swing a deal for Paul or Howard that includes Billup's expiring and young assets like Fields and Douglas.

Knicks will have $40M committed next summer. IMHO cap not going down that much such that CP3, Deron, Howard would be out of picture.


How will it work? Suppose we haave enough to get DH, then what? We still need a PG and a bench, how do we get all of that?

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4/25/2011  9:34 PM
If we somehow swing the capspace to get some guys I would take any of the following...

Reggie Evans
DJ Mbenga
Ronnie PRice
Wilson Chandler
JR Smith
Jose Barea for backup pg
Nick Young from the wizards
Marquis Daniels
Thadeus Young

DeAndre Jordan - No suprise

and
Keep Anthony Carter

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4/25/2011  10:00 PM
nyvector16 wrote:If we somehow swing the capspace to get some guys I would take any of the following...

Reggie Evans
DJ Mbenga
Ronnie PRice
Wilson Chandler
JR Smith
Jose Barea for backup pg
Nick Young from the wizards
Marquis Daniels
Thadeus Young

DeAndre Jordan - No suprise

and
Keep Anthony Carter

We don't need other teams garbage, head cases or over the hill bench players.

I doubt Thadues or Jordan are going any where. I think The Mavs are very high on Jose Barea, but I'm not sure.

The other guys would be good picks, but this team still needs starters more then back ups.

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4/25/2011  10:33 PM
loweyecue wrote:
martin wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
martin wrote:The big question: does the GM sign any new players beyond a 1 year deal? Or hold off for a better FA pool?

My guess is that a majority of the Player Option guys will opt-in because of potential shortened season.

Here's the problem: the Knicks won't have free agent money to offer CP3/Deron/Howard a max contract if the cap goes down like most people think it will, which means they're counting on a guy taking less money (which is a really, really risky play). For that reason I think the Knicks' best play for another superstar is to pick up Billups' option and swing a deal for Paul or Howard that includes Billup's expiring and young assets like Fields and Douglas.

Knicks will have $40M committed next summer. IMHO cap not going down that much such that CP3, Deron, Howard would be out of picture.


How will it work? Suppose we haave enough to get DH, then what? We still need a PG and a bench, how do we get all of that?

if you get DH, I am pretty sure a dude like Billups would take a pay cut and sign. You keep Fields and Shawne. Nash as backup PG?

Or you just trade Amare.

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4/25/2011  10:42 PM
You add oj mayo and Tyson Chandler to this team and we'd be contenders. Marc gasol would be even better. Though it doesn't seem feasible.

The Knicks have the role players already. The problem is that they are starting and not coming off the bench.

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4/25/2011  10:53 PM
tomam wrote:You add oj mayo and Tyson Chandler to this team and we'd be contenders. Marc gasol would be even better. Though it doesn't seem feasible.

The Knicks have the role players already. The problem is that they are starting and not coming off the bench.

I'm not completely sold on Mayo, but Tyson Chandler would be incredible if he left Dallas.

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4/25/2011  11:03 PM
y2zipper wrote:
tomam wrote:You add oj mayo and Tyson Chandler to this team and we'd be contenders. Marc gasol would be even better. Though it doesn't seem feasible.

The Knicks have the role players already. The problem is that they are starting and not coming off the bench.

I'm not completely sold on Mayo, but Tyson Chandler would be incredible if he left Dallas.

OJ Mayo is attainable.

Dallas will keep Chandler and try to dump Haywood.

If we could get Mayo and Haywood I'd be happy.

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4/25/2011  11:07 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
tomam wrote:You add oj mayo and Tyson Chandler to this team and we'd be contenders. Marc gasol would be even better. Though it doesn't seem feasible.

The Knicks have the role players already. The problem is that they are starting and not coming off the bench.

I'm not completely sold on Mayo, but Tyson Chandler would be incredible if he left Dallas.

OJ Mayo is attainable.

Dallas will keep Chandler and try to dump Haywood.

If we could get Mayo and Haywood I'd be happy.

+1 on Haywood. This guy is a shot blocker in the truest sense of the word.

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4/25/2011  11:30 PM
We can't have tony Douglas as the 3rd or 4th scoring option. We need more production out of the two to profit off of the double teams. Someone to keep defenses honest.
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4/26/2011  2:09 AM
I think going after affalo is a good option for the defensive 2 that also can hit the three. I also would try to get McRoberts and Kyrylo Fesenko. Two under the radar bigs. Fesenko is a very big body that had injuries or illnesss that hurt his play but would be a cheap option as a back up or starter if he has a strong summer. He might be an Aaron Grey type that needs a change of scenery. McRoberts is a hustle big that can play the 4 or 5 and hit the 15 footer. He rebounds well and can finish around the basket. I also would try to trade for Flyyn from minny to get a true pg in as a back up and under study to billups. Plus he will be insurance just in case 2012 goes bad.
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4/26/2011  8:15 AM
Very depressing to see how many picks we traded away. We also swap our no. 1 pick in 2016 with Denver.

We gonna need more secret Russians to get over this.

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