coach mike for president

Juice wrote:Basically Anthony bought into chucking 3s and he's having success but like all numbers they'll come to their eventuality. Anthony much like this team will live and die by the 3 he won't be immune to it.

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fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:Basically Anthony bought into chucking 3s and he's having success but like all numbers they'll come to their eventuality. Anthony much like this team will live and die by the 3 he won't be immune to it.

yes.. you nailed. MDA just said "hey Melo.. all I care about is you chucking up 3s"

Melo's career is 2.5 threes a game. With the Knicks he's shooting 4.5

TWO more 3 pt attempts a game above his career and he's shooting > 40%

Great analysis

I dont even love MDA. He's a good coach in this league and has proven that. He's been OK with the Knicks. Some good, some bad. He was handed an entirely new roster with different kind of players than his previous team with 8 weeks in the season and after some very poor play the Knicks win 7 in a row and are playing very good ball heading into the playoffs and still you guys just make up crap about how he coaches and ignore anything based on reality. I dont get the hate. Is it the stache?

It's hate to expect Carmelo's 3 pt % to return closer to his career average? It sounds like blind optimism not to.

really? it's that extreme? it couldn't have anything to do with any other factors? it's impossible that his 3pt attempts in Denver were more of the contested, end-of-the-shot-clock variety, whereas here, he's pulling while uncontested and in the flow? his 3pt percentage is going to be what it is for his entire career? no chance it improves and stays there?

VDesai wrote:The D'Antoni 3 pt philosophy is not just to take more 3's. Its to take more advantageous 3's- early in the clock when the defense can't set and at the spots on the floor where the shot is at its highest percentage. Note that the Knicks are 7th in the league 3pt FG% - so its not like taking more is chucking. They still shoot the ball efficiently. Its one of the biggest reasons why our adjusted FG% is 8th in the league. This isn't just a high volume/high pace/high total offense. The reason why its so prolific is that it operates at a high efficiency as well.

My problem with D'antoni's style has nothing to do with offense.

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JrZyHuStLa wrote:

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Childs2Dudley wrote:He bought into it alright. He's taking more 3's than he ever has in his career. D'Antoni basketball.

What happens when Melo is giving you 30ppg, 8rebs and shooting a career best 48% next year in the SSOL while the Knicks win 55 games and go the Eastern Conf finals? D'Antoni basketball.

You'll still call him Gilbert Arenas. That's what will happen.

you upset about that? I ALWAYS said "pre-injury" when making that comparison and whats your beef? Arenas was one of the best players in the league before he got hurt. Pre-injury Gilbert is where Melo is right now. We ALL hope he's a bit more isnt he?

That being said Arenas was headed for a HOF career before blowing out his knee.

Not upset at all. Just pointing out that you're being two-sided, that's all.

Melo is Gilbert to you, but when he puts up 30 and 8, D'antoni will get all the credit.

eViL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:Basically Anthony bought into chucking 3s and he's having success but like all numbers they'll come to their eventuality. Anthony much like this team will live and die by the 3 he won't be immune to it.

yes.. you nailed. MDA just said "hey Melo.. all I care about is you chucking up 3s"

Melo's career is 2.5 threes a game. With the Knicks he's shooting 4.5

TWO more 3 pt attempts a game above his career and he's shooting > 40%

Great analysis

I dont even love MDA. He's a good coach in this league and has proven that. He's been OK with the Knicks. Some good, some bad. He was handed an entirely new roster with different kind of players than his previous team with 8 weeks in the season and after some very poor play the Knicks win 7 in a row and are playing very good ball heading into the playoffs and still you guys just make up crap about how he coaches and ignore anything based on reality. I dont get the hate. Is it the stache?

It's hate to expect Carmelo's 3 pt % to return closer to his career average? It sounds like blind optimism not to.

really? it's that extreme? it couldn't have anything to do with any other factors? it's impossible that his 3pt attempts in Denver were more of the contested, end-of-the-shot-clock variety, whereas here, he's pulling while uncontested and in the flow? his 3pt percentage is going to be what it is for his entire career? no chance it improves and stays there?

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_to_the_mean
People always over-interpret surprising statistics based on small samples. If he keeps this % up for a year and half I'll be happily shocked.

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CashMoney wrote: Year 3 of what seemed like an impossible rebuilding plan in 2008 has been a success and at the very least New York will have something to build on for next season.

these playoffs are so important. I hate having Boston. I think its the worst draw for us to advance, something we really need to do.

I think the big thing is if we have a big series from a couple guys... maybe Douglas, or even a guy like Turiaf, I'm looking at a couple nice young role players to package w/ Billups's huge expiring contract (Assuming we pick up option) for some depth around Melo and Amare.

get me Okafor

I would do that, even if CP3 doesnt come back.

Billups, Fields and Turiaf for OK4 and Ariza. Maybe give them some cash. That gives NO a ton of flexibility moving forward. They are paying Ariza/OK4 about $18mm a year plus for the next 3-4 years. Its too much for them. This would save them a ton of money and Billups could move to SG at this point no problem.

Knicks get EXACTLY the kind of role players they need to be elite
PG Douglas
SG Ariza
SF Melo
PF Stat
C Ok4
whole lotta defense and rebounding around Melo/Stat... two of the top 10 scorers in the league.

I would be pretty pumped about that.

Maybe draft a PG and use the MLE on a guy like Reggie Evans or even Michael Redd

oh interesting lineup. I could roll with that.

Dougas as a starting PG this year: 14ppg, 6 assist, 1.5 TOs 53% FGs

I believe in this guy. He doesnt have to be a star, but he can score, handle the ball, set up teammates and plays great defense. He's tough and competes and I think can be a legit 3rd scoring option. He's not a great floor general but neither was Billups for that matter. He fits the mold of what I want to surround Melo/stat with... tough defensive lunch pale blue collar type guys.

No Way!! I like Douglas a lot but NO WAY is he a starting poing guard. He is great as a combo guard , pg part time. When and if he plays PG full time, this team struggles.

BigRedDog wrote:No Way!! I like Douglas a lot but NO WAY is he a starting poing guard. He is great as a combo guard , pg part time. When and if he plays PG full time, this team struggles.

PhilinLA wrote:I think Douglas could be the starting "point" guard, if they run the O More through Melo going forward and Douglas just brings it up, drives or waits for the kick out pass. It's all a matter of getting the right big. Kaman, Okafor, Camby or even Nazr could work with these two forwards. I have some hopes for Jerome Jordan as he has the tools to defend, rebound and run the floor. But he'd have to be part of a rotation with a player we don't have yet.

woah - blast from the past. what's up phil?