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misterearl
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4/6/2011  4:45 PM
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

wow good point. Perhaps Lee.

Okay, David Lee was here for five seasons. That's one so far.

Whew.

did nate make it?

Barely.

Four and one-half seasons for Nate in NYC. That makes two guys in two decades. Nice work jimimou.

Dang, when did Nate get traded to OKC?

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4/6/2011  4:45 PM
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

wow good point. Perhaps Lee.

Okay, David Lee was here for five seasons. That's one so far.

Whew.

did nate make it?

Barely.

Four and one-half seasons for Nate in NYC. That makes two guys in two decades. Nice work jimimou.

Dang, when did Nate get traded to OKC?

i wanna say beginning of this season?
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4/6/2011  4:48 PM
here's another one earl as i think about it...and a real shocker - jared jefferies was a knick for the 3 yr span from 2006-2009 b4 getting traded to the rockets
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4/6/2011  4:48 PM
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

wow good point. Perhaps Lee.

Okay, David Lee was here for five seasons. That's one so far.

Whew.

did nate make it?

Barely.

Four and one-half seasons for Nate in NYC. That makes two guys in two decades. Nice work jimimou.

Dang, when did Nate get traded to OKC?

i wanna say beginning of this season?

Trade deadline, part of the Green for Perkins swap.
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4/6/2011  4:49 PM
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

wow good point. Perhaps Lee.

Okay, David Lee was here for five seasons. That's one so far.

Whew.

did nate make it?

Barely.

Four and one-half seasons for Nate in NYC. That makes two guys in two decades. Nice work jimimou.

Dang, when did Nate get traded to OKC?

How did we manage to give away Ariza for nothing again?
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4/6/2011  4:54 PM
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
misterearl wrote:Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

wow good point. Perhaps Lee.

Okay, David Lee was here for five seasons. That's one so far.

Whew.

did nate make it?

Barely.

Four and one-half seasons for Nate in NYC. That makes two guys in two decades. Nice work jimimou.

Dang, when did Nate get traded to OKC?

How did we manage to give away Ariza for nothing again?

I think Steve Francis... I believe our "its always the coaches fault" faction blame Larry for that one (remember he called Trevor "delusional")
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4/6/2011  4:54 PM
jimimou wrote:here's another one earl as i think about it...and a real shocker - jared jefferies was a knick for the 3 yr span from 2006-2009 b4 getting traded to the rockets

You are on a roll.

Does Jared Jeffries qualify as a basketball player?

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4/6/2011  5:00 PM
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:here's another one earl as i think about it...and a real shocker - jared jefferies was a knick for the 3 yr span from 2006-2009 b4 getting traded to the rockets

You are on a roll.

Does Jared Jeffries qualify as a basketball player?

there's a thread on that debate somewhere....
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4/6/2011  5:51 PM
jimimou wrote:
misterearl wrote:
jimimou wrote:here's another one earl as i think about it...and a real shocker - jared jefferies was a knick for the 3 yr span from 2006-2009 b4 getting traded to the rockets

You are on a roll.

Does Jared Jeffries qualify as a basketball player?

there's a thread on that debate somewhere....

Fact: Jared Jeffries was thought to have much more potential than Dwayne Wade.
http://statsheet.com/bhsb/recruiting_class/2000

Peek at that list #9 and # 101

(that's just embarassing)

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4/6/2011  6:42 PM
misterearl wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
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Killa4luv wrote:Tony Douglas is a really nice piece to have on our team. Especially if he can develop his PG skills. But even if he doesn't, if can continue to be lights out from 3 with that quick release, and solid defense, he's a great spark off the bench. Not to mention he can drop 20 every so often. He's a keeper, and a nice find.

Against the heat he is advantage we have. Their PG position is weak.
Even against Boston, he can make Rondo work, but he's going to have to drive more.

his downside is Eddie House with great defense. His upside? Who knows? Bobby Simmons? Jason Terry? Mo Williams?

Good player

yea, TD even looks like a different player.. that behind the back pass to walker last night, he doesn't make that pass a year, or even a month ago...

you have to let players grow and develop. Knicks dont ever do that, so Knick fans arent used to the concept that you can draft a guy and 2-3 years later he's actually better than he was back in his first summer league rookie year.

fishmike - Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

I went to Wikipedia to check and here's what I was able to find out.

  • Greg Anthony - Drafted 1991. Lasted four seasons
  • Hubert Davis - Drafted 1992. Lasted four seasons.
  • Charlie Ward - Drafted 1994. Lasted 10 seasons.
  • David Lee - Drafted 2005. Lasted 5 seasons.
  • Nate Robinson - Drafted 2005. Lasted 4+ seasons.
  • Wilson Chandler - Drafted 2007. Lasted 3+ seasons

That's the entire, sad list since 1990.

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4/6/2011  6:45 PM
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:Tony Douglas is a really nice piece to have on our team. Especially if he can develop his PG skills. But even if he doesn't, if can continue to be lights out from 3 with that quick release, and solid defense, he's a great spark off the bench. Not to mention he can drop 20 every so often. He's a keeper, and a nice find.

Against the heat he is advantage we have. Their PG position is weak.
Even against Boston, he can make Rondo work, but he's going to have to drive more.

his downside is Eddie House with great defense. His upside? Who knows? Bobby Simmons? Jason Terry? Mo Williams?

Good player

yea, TD even looks like a different player.. that behind the back pass to walker last night, he doesn't make that pass a year, or even a month ago...

you have to let players grow and develop. Knicks dont ever do that, so Knick fans arent used to the concept that you can draft a guy and 2-3 years later he's actually better than he was back in his first summer league rookie year.

fishmike - Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

I went to Wikipedia to check and here's what I was able to find out.

  • Greg Anthony - Drafted 1991. Lasted four seasons
  • Hubert Davis - Drafted 1992. Lasted four seasons.
  • Charlie Ward - Drafted 1994. Lasted 10 seasons.
  • David Lee - Drafted 2005. Lasted 5 seasons.
  • Nate Robinson - Drafted 2005. Lasted 4+ seasons.
  • Wilson Chandler - Drafted 2007. Lasted 3+ seasons

That's the entire, sad list since 1990.

You forgot Fredrick Weiss and Eric Chenowith.
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4/6/2011  6:53 PM
Unfortunately, our thoughts and feelings about players are never taken into consideration. The constant quest to "win now" has had our team grabbing for players past their prime or damaged goods. One day we'll get it.
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4/6/2011  6:55 PM
I was thinking the same thing about TD. Not so long ago Douglas wouldn't give up on the three when it was clear that he wasn't feelin' it. I believe TD understands that he needs to get other people involved at that point or take it to the rim.
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4/6/2011  8:17 PM
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:Tony Douglas is a really nice piece to have on our team. Especially if he can develop his PG skills. But even if he doesn't, if can continue to be lights out from 3 with that quick release, and solid defense, he's a great spark off the bench. Not to mention he can drop 20 every so often. He's a keeper, and a nice find.

Against the heat he is advantage we have. Their PG position is weak.
Even against Boston, he can make Rondo work, but he's going to have to drive more.

his downside is Eddie House with great defense. His upside? Who knows? Bobby Simmons? Jason Terry? Mo Williams?

Good player

yea, TD even looks like a different player.. that behind the back pass to walker last night, he doesn't make that pass a year, or even a month ago...

you have to let players grow and develop. Knicks dont ever do that, so Knick fans arent used to the concept that you can draft a guy and 2-3 years later he's actually better than he was back in his first summer league rookie year.

fishmike - Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

I went to Wikipedia to check and here's what I was able to find out.

  • Greg Anthony - Drafted 1991. Lasted four seasons
  • Hubert Davis - Drafted 1992. Lasted four seasons.
  • Charlie Ward - Drafted 1994. Lasted 10 seasons.
  • David Lee - Drafted 2005. Lasted 5 seasons.
  • Nate Robinson - Drafted 2005. Lasted 4+ seasons.
  • Wilson Chandler - Drafted 2007. Lasted 3+ seasons

That's the entire, sad list since 1990.

VCoug - outstanding research. Of that list, Greg Anthony and Hubert Davis barely made the cut with four years in orange and blue.

Six players in two decades speaks volumes about the lack of continuity in scouting, and lack of patience with yoots.

That is 20 years. TWENTY. Two decades.

All one needs to remember is that Toney Douglas is currently the longest tenured Knicks player.

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4/6/2011  8:22 PM
MS wrote:He's the most important person on this team right now heading into the playoffs.

Stat and Melo will always score; but when Douglas gets hot we almost never lose. He needs to be on his game if we are going to take out the Heat.

Agreed.

And this guy frustrated the hell outta me early in the season wih his up and down play. He's gotten much more consistant with the jumper and it's paying dividends.

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4/6/2011  9:39 PM
Big 3 tonight in crunch time. The kid is turning into a PTP.
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4/6/2011  9:42 PM
TD is going to let others teams take over in the 4th Q routinely by rushing shots and going iso, he thinks he is the second coming of Kobe. He is obviously making a sloid contribution but he is also almost giving the game away. Unless he learns how to think, he is basically a liability.
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4/6/2011  10:09 PM
loweyecue wrote:TD is going to let others teams take over in the 4th Q routinely by rushing shots and going iso, he thinks he is the second coming of Kobe. He is obviously making a sloid contribution but he is also almost giving the game away. Unless he learns how to think, he is basically a liability.


Thank you. I can't believe how overrated this guy is. He seems like a good dude, but his game is seriously lacking for a PG.

While he did hit some big shots and has made nice strides, he is not capable of playing the PG because he can't/ doesn't know how to run the offense.

No one else noticed Philly going on their run after Billups went out? That's because TD doesn't make the offense flow and he a horrendous passer. He played like **** in the 4th qtr on both ends even though he did hit a big 3 and got fouled driving to the bucket.

Hopefully he gets better over time, but people here are completely overrating him
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In short....

NO!
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4/6/2011  10:33 PM
misterearl wrote:
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:Tony Douglas is a really nice piece to have on our team. Especially if he can develop his PG skills. But even if he doesn't, if can continue to be lights out from 3 with that quick release, and solid defense, he's a great spark off the bench. Not to mention he can drop 20 every so often. He's a keeper, and a nice find.

Against the heat he is advantage we have. Their PG position is weak.
Even against Boston, he can make Rondo work, but he's going to have to drive more.

his downside is Eddie House with great defense. His upside? Who knows? Bobby Simmons? Jason Terry? Mo Williams?

Good player

yea, TD even looks like a different player.. that behind the back pass to walker last night, he doesn't make that pass a year, or even a month ago...

you have to let players grow and develop. Knicks dont ever do that, so Knick fans arent used to the concept that you can draft a guy and 2-3 years later he's actually better than he was back in his first summer league rookie year.

fishmike - Other than Chollie Ward, I am struggling to name a player the Knicks have drafted over the past TWO decades who stayed around for more than three years.

Scary.

I went to Wikipedia to check and here's what I was able to find out.

  • Greg Anthony - Drafted 1991. Lasted four seasons
  • Hubert Davis - Drafted 1992. Lasted four seasons.
  • Charlie Ward - Drafted 1994. Lasted 10 seasons.
  • David Lee - Drafted 2005. Lasted 5 seasons.
  • Nate Robinson - Drafted 2005. Lasted 4+ seasons.
  • Wilson Chandler - Drafted 2007. Lasted 3+ seasons

That's the entire, sad list since 1990.

VCoug - outstanding research. Of that list, Greg Anthony and Hubert Davis barely made the cut with four years in orange and blue.

Six players in two decades speaks volumes about the lack of continuity in scouting, and lack of patience with yoots.

That is 20 years. TWENTY. Two decades.

All one needs to remember is that Toney Douglas is currently the longest tenured Knicks player.

Thanks man. If you really want to get upset you should check out the other drafts, at least until Isiah took over. It's pretty awful.

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