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AnubisADL
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4/5/2011  8:45 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Jennings sucks bro

Not really though.

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4/5/2011  8:56 AM
lets put it this way, as bad as brook lopez has been playing.
Big men with a ceiling to do better has more value and I believe we could go have saved players on this "melo" deal.

Josh Smith
J.R. Smith
Deandre Jordon

Some scouts or people within the organization should read this forum. I remember these players highly converted by briggs...

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4/5/2011  9:35 AM
Jennings was a tough miss because who has better connections in Italy than the Knicks?

What added insult to injury was that Hill sucked, aaaand we whiffed on a bunch of other "true pg" prospects before drafting combo guy TD.

Collison, Lawson, Maynor, Holiday....

To do that when your team is desperate for a PG... that's pretty rough.

I've started at least 20 threads on this since that ill fated draft so I won't go any further into it. It is what it is.

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4/5/2011  10:03 AM
VCoug wrote:
tj23 wrote:Jennings is overrated.

Definitely. The real mistake was passing on Ty Lawson.


The only thing consistent about Jennings' game is that he does consistently well against the Knicks.

Lawson or Holiday would have been the way to go looking back on things.

I think that Holiday will eventually emerge as the guy we should have taken. Good size, and fine defender, PG ability, and a shot with good form that will someday be a strength for him.

You go guard at 8 and then take Blair at the spot you took TD.

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4/5/2011  10:20 AM
Juice wrote:I should hit holfresh in the face with a Jennings Jumper...but I won't.

bam

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4/5/2011  11:01 AM
Juice wrote:I should hit holfresh in the face with a Jennings Jumper...but I won't.

As we see Jennings came back down to Hell


Hell, if you tried there would be a 75% chance of missing his face, anyway.
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4/5/2011  11:02 AM
Juice wrote:I should hit holfresh in the face with a Jennings Jumper...but I won't.

As we see Jennings came back down to Hell


Hell, if you tried there would be a 75% chance of missing, anyway.
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4/5/2011  11:02 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
Juice wrote:I should hit holfresh in the face with a Jennings Jumper...but I won't.

As we see Jennings came back down to Hell

Jennings Jumper would only hit his his backside, instead of his face, and I can't blame you for not doing it.

Well played touche...... although I was focusing on ME BEING THE ONE THROWING THE BRICK

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4/5/2011  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/5/2011  11:16 AM
martin wrote:bam

lulz

You know they used to do that on.....


*In Living Color....see quotated footnote below<-------One of my favorite skits


* Funky Finger Productions ("Black-Strong" also called "B.S. Brothers") - Two showbiz charlatans, Clavell (played by David Alan Grier) and Howard Tibbs III (played by Tommy Davidson), with a knack for commandeering events (a funeral, a Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony) and property (a movie set), both public and private, or Keenan Ivory Wayans' monologue, to promote their latest flim-flam "project". The would-be moguls enter by shouting "this must be the place!" in unison. They claim to have managed a band of 16 horn players called "Satern", but later had to fire ten horns. From there, they undermine their grandiose pitches with ill-conceived videos, business cards with their mothers' address and telephone number, or business cards of other businesses such as carpet cleaners with the proper business crossed out and their names written on it, and reliance on public transportation. Another stunt was for one of them to have their phone number shaved into their hair, which quickly turned into a basketball afro. Their spiel invariably climaxes when Tibbs stuns the unsuspecting mark by suddenly pulling out an item integral to the sales pitch (e.g., business card, sales brochure, videocassette) while simultaneously shouting "BAM!".

Emeril Lagasse adopted the exclamation "BAM!" for his cooking show....and now martin on the UK

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4/5/2011  3:17 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Jennings was a tough miss because who has better connections in Italy than the Knicks?

What added insult to injury was that Hill sucked, aaaand we whiffed on a bunch of other "true pg" prospects before drafting combo guy TD.

Collison, Lawson, Maynor, Holiday....

To do that when your team is desperate for a PG... that's pretty rough.

I've started at least 20 threads on this since that ill fated draft so I won't go any further into it. It is what it is.

I warned everybody about Hill, the day he was drafted.

I'm barely 6'0, and was guarding Hill in a pickup league in Tucson, AZ. I was able to bother him due to his lack of lower body strength.

I knew he would have problems in the NBA, especially that NY pressure....But I still think he's a late bloomer, and a better bench player than Jefferies!

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4/5/2011  4:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/5/2011  4:51 PM
My general thinking is this, If the grand plan was the 2010 free agent class where there was a good chance we could land a PF and a small forward, why not draft based on need looking at the future...My thinking is not specific to Jennings but to pieces of need...Getting the pieces that ultimately leads to a Championship is now going to depend on whose front office is nimble enough to assemble the cheap pieces around the stars that you paid heavily to come here...The only way to get cheap pieces is through the draft...

Looking at Miami who has three stars, they will be at 65 mil next year...At the end of 2010, they will be losing 2 centers, back up PF, two point guards and a back up SG...I really not sure how they are going to be able to sign new players with the new CBA and being at 65 mil cap threshold...The Knicks will be competing with Miami to attract players at similar positions (C, PG,etc)...We should have drafted the pieces based on future projected need...Having the PG position set on the cheap say 2.4 mil per along with Melo and STAT on board could have lead us to throw money at a legit center...If we are to bring in CP3 or DWill to play point, we will now be capped out in the same position as Miami, competing with them for the left over scraps of the NBA...Boston thrived because Rondo was that cheap piece initially...They were able to assemble a full squad because they drafted wisely, throw Big Baby in there for good measure...

This will ultimately comes down to which front office can assemble the complimentary players around their stars...We could have made it a lot easier on ourselves drafting wisely looking at the future...
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4/5/2011  5:27 PM
iirc Gallo was coming off back surgery and was not a sure thing coming back. Perhaps this made a big more important draft night. Hence Hill first d'A raved about him after the draft? Surely he had some input. Hill may yet be a productive NBA player but may not have the desire required to play at the highest level. Seems to have the physical tools.

The draft is a gamble every year only a few of the first rounders amount to much. Even a high lottery pick doesn't guarantee anything. I'd never have guessed Landry Fields would look better than Evan Turner. Hindsight is 20-20

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4/5/2011  5:35 PM
I fully expect Donnie to buy some picks. It's the cheapest way to add some talent to your roster, even tho it can be a crap shoot. We've been pretty successful finding late rd. players. We have a little flexibility with the cap after this season. The Knicks have $45.4 mil in contracts next year and Walker and Billups are team options amounting to $15,116,100. Depending upon what the Knicks choose to do, they can reduce their cap number and go after some free agents. The only thing we don't have as a viable option is trades.
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4/5/2011  5:51 PM
nixluva wrote:I fully expect Donnie to buy some picks. It's the cheapest way to add some talent to your roster, even tho it can be a crap shoot. We've been pretty successful finding late rd. players. We have a little flexibility with the cap after this season. The Knicks have $45.4 mil in contracts next year and Walker and Billups are team options amounting to $15,116,100. Depending upon what the Knicks choose to do, they can reduce their cap number and go after some free agents. The only thing we don't have as a viable option is trades.

Depends on what the goal is. Are we building around Melo and Amar'e or are we waiting for a third? We won't be able to pay a third *max* most likely, but a good amount anyway. Buying picks, in this case, would be risky, unless we get Euros we convince to stay overseas for a year or two.

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4/5/2011  6:21 PM
Solace wrote:
nixluva wrote:I fully expect Donnie to buy some picks. It's the cheapest way to add some talent to your roster, even tho it can be a crap shoot. We've been pretty successful finding late rd. players. We have a little flexibility with the cap after this season. The Knicks have $45.4 mil in contracts next year and Walker and Billups are team options amounting to $15,116,100. Depending upon what the Knicks choose to do, they can reduce their cap number and go after some free agents. The only thing we don't have as a viable option is trades.

Depends on what the goal is. Are we building around Melo and Amar'e or are we waiting for a third? We won't be able to pay a third *max* most likely, but a good amount anyway. Buying picks, in this case, would be risky, unless we get Euros we convince to stay overseas for a year or two.

Pending New CBA(it could get extended 1 more yr I think by early fall)

If nothing changed here's what we're looking at

- $45mil is without Billups and Walker factored into payroll. Current Cap is $58.044mil do the math

- Purchased pick is going to come in the garden variety of Jerome Jordan at best. I really don't hope you think the fate of this team lies on our GM buying a low second round pick that puts us over the top. We barely have the resources to do this for the record

- We have a moderate 1rst round pick(cap hit 120% scale) and a very low second round pick from Boston. Cash and Boston's 2nd will only get us so much. It won't fill out the roster and most certainly won't produce sure fire impact players that late. Players like Fields are extremely rare. Denver and the Rockets have our picks(2012/2014/2016(right to swap 1rst)/2012 and 2013 2nd) from here on out next 3yrs besides a 2013 1rst. Not having 2nd round picks makes it more difficult to purchase picks. Jerome was bought for $1mil but it's somewhat rare..... a straight cash purchased pick(2nd rd) is a player who is yrs away from contributing.

- If we don't pick up Billups and Walker's options you immediately have to find a point guard that can lead 2 alphas in Melo and Amar'e who also can adjust to D'Antoni's system right away. Championship caliber point mind you. There is no time to waste as you and many others have already begged off into next season. This player is not Toney Douglas, so get this out of the mind if it's there. A starting point guard with this large of role will command a salary between the $6-10mil minimum range if they are even available. This will leave us with about MLE money to find bigs and rotation depth....peanuts

- If Billups and/or Walker go to a team like Miami/Orlando/Atlanta/Chicago/Boston via being let go it becomes that much more difficult to match rosters

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4/5/2011  6:41 PM
Well if we let all our contracts expire then we can still probably offer a max contract to someone. If not a full max, pretty damn close. The new CBA will lower every teams cap but the max contracts will also be lowered too, right? Teams will always be able to sign players for the minimum. Thats not going to change. So miami will have a bench full of scrubs but they will fill out their roster. I think they would have to trade away any 1st round picks they have for some 2nd rounders since I think 1st rounders count against the cap and 2's dont.
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4/5/2011  6:49 PM
holfresh wrote:
His salary would have gone a long way to adding major pieces to the two stars...

When you think that Hill had to be packaged with Jeffries and draft picks to get cap space he would have been a better fit. However, I think this coach has a character/maturity component that many young guys can't live up to. I don't think the coach wanted to deal with Jennings and he might not have played him anyway. There are so many scenarios that are more positive than what happened to Jordan Hill his rookie year. It was a big mistake to pass on Jennings.
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4/6/2011  8:52 AM
I don't see Jennings listed on any of the playoff rosters this year meanwhile ESPN had this to say about TD

"So it's a special topping for the new-look Knicks that Douglas has already found his groove before the regular season finale. In fact, since the All-Star break, he leads the league with the most 3-pointers (59) and he's only had three bagel games from beyond the arc.

Douglas has also improved his playmaking, a big concern of Mike D'Antoni's earlier in the season. Before the All-Star break, the most assists he had in a game was seven (just once). Since then, he's had five games with seven or more, including an 11- and 10-dish night.

Now if only the Knicks could hold an opponent to under 100 points, which they didn't do for the third straight game against a bottom-of-the-barrel team. "

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/4165/billups-toneys-confidence-at-all-time-high

Definitely lookls to be getting some chemistry with Stat and Stat actually looked to be enjoying himself a bit last night.

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4/6/2011  8:59 AM
Olbrannon wrote:I don't see Jennings listed on any of the playoff rosters this year meanwhile ESPN had this to say about TD

"So it's a special topping for the new-look Knicks that Douglas has already found his groove before the regular season finale. In fact, since the All-Star break, he leads the league with the most 3-pointers (59) and he's only had three bagel games from beyond the arc.

Douglas has also improved his playmaking, a big concern of Mike D'Antoni's earlier in the season. Before the All-Star break, the most assists he had in a game was seven (just once). Since then, he's had five games with seven or more, including an 11- and 10-dish night.

Now if only the Knicks could hold an opponent to under 100 points, which they didn't do for the third straight game against a bottom-of-the-barrel team. "

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/4165/billups-toneys-confidence-at-all-time-high

Definitely lookls to be getting some chemistry with Stat and Stat actually looked to be enjoying himself a bit last night.

i think you have to attribute some of his success to the addition of chauncey. i'm sure chauncey has been in his ear a ton and rightfully so, no better guy to learn from.

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4/6/2011  9:12 AM
this again? God Jennings is so overrated here. He's 6 feet, weighs about 160 pounds, shoots well under 40%, cant defend anyone... yes, this is the guy all the stars want to play with
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Not drafting Jennings was a huge mistake...

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