fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I keep hearing the conspiracy theory that part of the Denver deal may have been for Denver to trade back Mozgov for our pick come draft day. Any draft gurus here have an opinion on potential picks vs. the Moz?

If the Knicks extend Billups, they'd have to clear cap space to make that trade.

they could offset w/ Walker, Balkman, cash, etc

You know a player sucks when a team gives you away for nothing/fodder TWICE.

and yet he will have made like $5-$7mm in the NBA over his 6 years or so. Not a bad piece of chedder

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I keep hearing the conspiracy theory that part of the Denver deal may have been for Denver to trade back Mozgov for our pick come draft day. Any draft gurus here have an opinion on potential picks vs. the Moz?

I think there will be better bigs available than Mozgov at our pick, but definitely no better centers. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. There should be two rebounding fiends available: Kenneth Faried and Jordan Williams. Chris Singleton seems to be a uk.com favorite. And everyone seems to be sleeping on Matt Howard.

Faried is on the "smaller" side but he has been compared to Rodman and is built bigger than Ben Wallace was in college. He's who I want the Knicks to draft. He went to a small school, Morehead St, but he had a nasal passage condition in high school that went misdiagnosed as asthma. Had it not mbeen for that he would have been more actively recruited

Williams played C at Maryland and is rebounding machine but he seems to project into an old school banging PF than a C. He's got some size but he may not come out because Maryland had a tough season, so his stock will be lower than it should be. But he went for 16 adn 16 agaisnt Duke in the ACC tournament, for example

Chris Singleton is a SF/PF type, but he was the go to player on his team and is a defensive beast. He's a FSU guy, so if you're a fan of TD's defense you'll like the blocking version. He was injured and came back during the tournmament, which is why they went further than most thought

Matt Howard is on Butler. He gets tough rebounds. He makes tough shots. Seems to be a humble, good guy. He is the common link between on the winning Butler has been doing. His PPS is high. He's kind of a string bean and 6'8" but I would love drafting him.

those are OK prospects but I would 100% take Mosgov back for the our pick. Mosgov next to Amare and Melo is an impact player and fills the teams biggest need. Hard worker, likes NY, teammates liked him, etc etc

I don't know if I agree that Mozgov is a better prospect than all of those guys, but I am open to the idea that Mozgov is a better fit for the team. He is active and has pivot size and both are something the Knicks sorely need.

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I keep hearing the conspiracy theory that part of the Denver deal may have been for Denver to trade back Mozgov for our pick come draft day. Any draft gurus here have an opinion on potential picks vs. the Moz?

I think there will be better bigs available than Mozgov at our pick, but definitely no better centers. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. There should be two rebounding fiends available: Kenneth Faried and Jordan Williams. Chris Singleton seems to be a uk.com favorite. And everyone seems to be sleeping on Matt Howard.

Faried is on the "smaller" side but he has been compared to Rodman and is built bigger than Ben Wallace was in college. He's who I want the Knicks to draft. He went to a small school, Morehead St, but he had a nasal passage condition in high school that went misdiagnosed as asthma. Had it not mbeen for that he would have been more actively recruited

Williams played C at Maryland and is rebounding machine but he seems to project into an old school banging PF than a C. He's got some size but he may not come out because Maryland had a tough season, so his stock will be lower than it should be. But he went for 16 adn 16 agaisnt Duke in the ACC tournament, for example

Chris Singleton is a SF/PF type, but he was the go to player on his team and is a defensive beast. He's a FSU guy, so if you're a fan of TD's defense you'll like the blocking version. He was injured and came back during the tournmament, which is why they went further than most thought

Matt Howard is on Butler. He gets tough rebounds. He makes tough shots. Seems to be a humble, good guy. He is the common link between on the winning Butler has been doing. His PPS is high. He's kind of a string bean and 6'8" but I would love drafting him.

those are OK prospects but I would 100% take Mosgov back for the our pick. Mosgov next to Amare and Melo is an impact player and fills the teams biggest need. Hard worker, likes NY, teammates liked him, etc etc

I totally agree. We know Mosgov can play, and I think the kid has the potential to turn into a Rik Smits type of center. He clearly was the best center we had. I would take him back for our pick in a heartbeat unless someone REALLY promising was available.

Knickoftime wrote:Question - if a secret draft-day deal is under the table, why didn't the Knicks send the Nuggets Turiaf instead?

Probably a better fit for a team with play-offs in their future. Less of a financial commitment if the secret deal fall through.

how would they then pass the pick to Denver? Under what guise?

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:how would they then pass the pick to Denver? Under what guise?

Not sure what you mean. I was responding to this...

I keep hearing the conspiracy theory that part of the Denver deal may have been for Denver to trade back Mozgov for our pick come draft day.

This person is suggesting Denver would tell the Knicks who to select in the draft and then he would be traded for Mozgov once selected.

Why couldn't this happen with Turiaf?

Are you suggesting the League would investigate if it was Turiaf but not if it was Mozgov?

Yes. Or at least I am suggesting that the trade for Moz/1st makes a lot more sense.

Either way I guess i doesn't really matter.

SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I keep hearing the conspiracy theory that part of the Denver deal may have been for Denver to trade back Mozgov for our pick come draft day. Any draft gurus here have an opinion on potential picks vs. the Moz?

I think there will be better bigs available than Mozgov at our pick, but definitely no better centers. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. There should be two rebounding fiends available: Kenneth Faried and Jordan Williams. Chris Singleton seems to be a uk.com favorite. And everyone seems to be sleeping on Matt Howard.

Faried is on the "smaller" side but he has been compared to Rodman and is built bigger than Ben Wallace was in college. He's who I want the Knicks to draft. He went to a small school, Morehead St, but he had a nasal passage condition in high school that went misdiagnosed as asthma. Had it not mbeen for that he would have been more actively recruited

Williams played C at Maryland and is rebounding machine but he seems to project into an old school banging PF than a C. He's got some size but he may not come out because Maryland had a tough season, so his stock will be lower than it should be. But he went for 16 adn 16 agaisnt Duke in the ACC tournament, for example

Chris Singleton is a SF/PF type, but he was the go to player on his team and is a defensive beast. He's a FSU guy, so if you're a fan of TD's defense you'll like the blocking version. He was injured and came back during the tournmament, which is why they went further than most thought

Matt Howard is on Butler. He gets tough rebounds. He makes tough shots. Seems to be a humble, good guy. He is the common link between on the winning Butler has been doing. His PPS is high. He's kind of a string bean and 6'8" but I would love drafting him.

Thanks for the writeup, didn't see it until just now.
I don't watch much college ball, but Faried definitely impressed me in the Louisville game. What did he have, something like 17 rebs? Obviously a small sample size, but after watching us get killed on the boards on a nightly basis, that's enough to start drooling over.

I've got to look into Jordan Williams more, definitely sounds like a nice option if he declares, based on your writeup.

Faried had a monster game against Florida, outperformed Jared Sullinger when he played Ohio St., and had a very good game agaisnt a surprising Richmond team in teh tournament. But, to me, the blocked shot on a tranistion buzzer-beater attempt at the end of the Louisville game really kind of sums up why I think he's a spectacular prospect. He could step in right away for 15-20 MPG behind Stat and Melo and maybe give some minutes at center.

Doesn't address the need for a true center, but does address the need for a relentless rebounder.

i think its hard to predict players similar to Faried and how they will be in the NBA league vs college...

Ben Wallace
Kenyon Martin
Dennis Rodman
Reggie Evans

Ed Davis
Amir Johnson

Balkman

who would Faried's ceiling be similar to? We need a shot blocker/defender/rebounder. I don't know if he can be all that and if not, wouldn't it be more cost efficient if we could just sign a player like Reggie Evans, who is a relentless rebounder?

I don't know if its the hair but I think he is closer to a Balkman...