thejerk wrote:We get a coach like Phil Jackson, then all of a sudden we are contenders, thats it and thats that. You have to have a system AND you have to be able to adjust to the players you have. Thus far MDA has not proven that he can adjust, hopefully he proves us all wrong.

I think Jackson's system would fit us perfectly.

Killa4luv wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

gr33d wrote:I've said this to co-workers and friends, whether you like Melo or not- a bad shot by him, is still a good shot. Against a triple team, fading away from 28ft is a better look then a layup from Jefferies.

But that's not the complete premise is it? A bad shot by Melo who is being triple team with 20 seconds left on the clock is not a better shot than Amare with a layup, is it?

I don't think anyone has any problem with Melo, Amare taking an iso shot at the end of the clock or when either is feeling it; that's their time and they should be doing this from time to time.

But system is there for everyone else, and the whole season with a system is about getting those other guys to contribute too.

Yeah and for all you guys who keep calling the offense a gimmick, bite on this, when it's run properly it yielded some of the most highly efficient offense in the league. 05-06 FG% 48%, 06-07 50%. We haven't really been running the SSOL for much of his time here. Duhon couldn't run it. Felton had a pretty good stretch where he was OK doing it and now we have NO PG that can run it. Let's use some logic here. It's not that the system is bad. It's that the players we have aren't good enough.

So why was the system so efficient? Well the 2 guys at the heart of it were efficient scorers. Nash and STAT both at or above 50%. We might not see this team be that good, but we can be close. Since the trade the Knicks FG% has dropped. I think we could change for right now, but I think that SSOL fits Amare and the rest of the roster very well. Melo can surely adapt to it if given time. It's not like it's an impossible system for a great scorer to play in. In fact he's not really a problem for SSOL, it's the lack of a PG right now that is the biggest issue.

I don't know how well u can judge a system when it is run by 2 of the best players in the league. Amare was in his prime and Steve Nash was one of the top 2 or 3 pgs in the game, and it was a system which complimented his strengths perfectly. Its difficult to evaluate how good the system is. Let Toronto run it and lets see how it works.

CrushAlot wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

gr33d wrote:I've said this to co-workers and friends, whether you like Melo or not- a bad shot by him, is still a good shot. Against a triple team, fading away from 28ft is a better look then a layup from Jefferies.

But that's not the complete premise is it? A bad shot by Melo who is being triple team with 20 seconds left on the clock is not a better shot than Amare with a layup, is it?

I don't think anyone has any problem with Melo, Amare taking an iso shot at the end of the clock or when either is feeling it; that's their time and they should be doing this from time to time.

But system is there for everyone else, and the whole season with a system is about getting those other guys to contribute too.

Yeah and for all you guys who keep calling the offense a gimmick, bite on this, when it's run properly it yielded some of the most highly efficient offense in the league. 05-06 FG% 48%, 06-07 50%. We haven't really been running the SSOL for much of his time here. Duhon couldn't run it. Felton had a pretty good stretch where he was OK doing it and now we have NO PG that can run it. Let's use some logic here. It's not that the system is bad. It's that the players we have aren't good enough.

So why was the system so efficient? Well the 2 guys at the heart of it were efficient scorers. Nash and STAT both at or above 50%. We might not see this team be that good, but we can be close. Since the trade the Knicks FG% has dropped. I think we could change for right now, but I think that SSOL fits Amare and the rest of the roster very well. Melo can surely adapt to it if given time. It's not like it's an impossible system for a great scorer to play in. In fact he's not really a problem for SSOL, it's the lack of a PG right now that is the biggest issue.

I don't know how well u can judge a system when it is run by 2 of the best players in the league. Amare was in his prime and Steve Nash was one of the top 2 or 3 pgs in the game, and it was a system which complimented his strengths perfectly. Its difficult to evaluate how good the system is. Let Toronto run it and lets see how it works.

Throw in the Matrix averaging 20 and 10 and almost two blocks a game it seems that it would be hard for any system to fail.

The system made Marion. The guy has been ok since the Suns days but not even close to "that" player since.

Given how things have played out, I wonder if the Knicks in retrospect wish they had traded Fields instead of Chandler. He'd have been the Marion-like player (with big defensive upside) that the Knicks kind of need right now. And Mozgov is the 7ft+ change of pace center the Knicks could use too.

*sigh*

I would have outside shooters on the low post side. Work the inside-out game on the low post side and the pick and roll/pop on the high post. It would be the most uncomplicated offense in the world, just run to perfection, and letting the talent speak for itself. You wouldn't need to be a rocket surgeon to pull it off. Just commit to execution and detail. That's it. And it would work

Marv wrote:

technomaster wrote:I'm not sure if Phil Jackson gets the accolades he deserves as a winner with 13 championship rings (2 as a player). But with him leaving the Lakers after the season and "retiring", if the Knick decide to make a leadership change, he'd easily be my first choice.

Given how things have played out, I wonder if the Knicks in retrospect wish they had traded Fields instead of Chandler. He'd have been the Marion-like player (with big defensive upside) that the Knicks kind of need right now. And Mozgov is the 7ft+ change of pace center the Knicks could use too.

*sigh*

remember though that marion played the forward positions. where would you have played chandler? gonna keep amear at center so will plays pf? put him in the backcourt? awkward fits.

Plus, we could not afford to resign Chandler, which is the main reason he was included in the trade. We never should have given up Timmy M. though and I am starting to wish we kept Felton.

Chandler had grown his ability to play 3 positions pretty well. I'd certainly enjoy him on the court over Jared Jeffries or the post-trade Landry Fields, both of whom are getting very ample minutes these days.

Moving to a broader topic, I think as much Jefferies is supposed to be helping out from a defensive standpoint, I think him being on the floor is a big reason why our offense is not as efficient as pre-trade. Previously, all 5 players on the floor could score (and would look to score within the system). Jeffries is dead weight. The Shawne Williams hand injury really broke the team - without his ability to shoot, he's another bit of dead weight on the offensive end.