CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If something clicked last night then wouldn't you give the coach some credit?

No- because my opinion is he is too laid back. It was only when he showed some fire that he got the guys to respond.

It was overdue, and should have been there from the moment this team started training camp.

I'll give MDA some credit if he can maintain his fire for the rest of the season, and into the play offs.

Key word in your post is "training camp". OK that was 2 words but what I am trying to say is that this new group has not the luxury to have training camp. The pre-trade Knicks were very good and improving. You can't deny that.

I think the team was 3-8 out of camp this year and 1-9 out of camp the year before. I don't know what happens at that camp but it doesn't appear that a fire is lit under the players.

The bad starts had a lot to do with the inability of our starting PG to run the team. Duhon was bad and so was Felton to start each season. If you put a new group together and they have no chemistry and no floor leader it's gonna lead to losses. You seem to constantly ignore these factors and want to make points without clarification. It's also a big part of the reason the team has been struggling lately. Billups struggling has hurt our chances to win. This is why we've lacked scoring in the 4th qtr of almost every single loss.

All we can hope for with so little time is that the team can come out with max effort on D the rest of the season.

fishmike wrote:

islesfan wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If something clicked last night then wouldn't you give the coach some credit?

No- because my opinion is he is too laid back. It was only when he showed some fire that he got the guys to respond.

It was overdue, and should have been there from the moment this team started training camp.

I'll give MDA some credit if he can maintain his fire for the rest of the season, and into the play offs.

Key word in your post is "training camp". OK that was 2 words but what I am trying to say is that this new group has not the luxury to have training camp. The pre-trade Knicks were very good and improving. You can't deny that.

Nothing to do with this group or that group. I am talking about D'Antoni showing some fire and getting through to the players, no matter when they got here.

Last night was an effort win. The Knicks wanted it more. It was basketball, not a battle of systems.

What took so long for them to show that? I think D'Antoni finally got desperate, and showed some fire.

I wished he had had that same fire, that same urgency, from the start of the season.

we are back to coaching effort?

If you've watched any of the NCAA Tourney you would see that coaching effort is very real. Or using Knicks history, effort and defensive intensity went up when Pitino, Riley and Van Gundy replaced Bob Hill, John MacLeod and Don Nelson respectively.

Last night put an end to the myth that these players can't play defense and that Antoni wasn't to blame for that. Fire Antoni and get a real head coach in here.

good post. But dont you also think you need players receptive to coaching effort? When a team is floundering there are not a lot of NBA coaches that can tell their team its because they arent playing hard enough.

Franco is right. MDA is a laid back coach and probably isnt the right fit as he has too many laid back players. However MDA is also successfull and thats been proven. Who is coming in here and setting a fire under Melo's ass to play like that more often? Skiles? Mark Jackson? Melo has what? 4 all star games and a $20mm a year pay check on his current level of effort. Who is the guy who is getting more out of him? Thats a big personality. I dont see any of the candidates out there with those credentials.

It would be great if Riley, Jackson were the coach but its not happening... and we have seen Wilkins, Larry Brown, Isiah, etc run out of town by lesser players than we have now.

Easy to say "replace the coach with a guy who stresses defense." But people dont really think about how that plays out

One candidate that comes to mind is Sloan.

CrushAlot wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:If something clicked last night then wouldn't you give the coach some credit?

No- because my opinion is he is too laid back. It was only when he showed some fire that he got the guys to respond.

It was overdue, and should have been there from the moment this team started training camp.

I'll give MDA some credit if he can maintain his fire for the rest of the season, and into the play offs.

Key word in your post is "training camp". OK that was 2 words but what I am trying to say is that this new group has not the luxury to have training camp. The pre-trade Knicks were very good and improving. You can't deny that.

Nothing to do with this group or that group. I am talking about D'Antoni showing some fire and getting through to the players, no matter when they got here.

Last night was an effort win. The Knicks wanted it more. It was basketball, not a battle of systems.

What took so long for them to show that? I think D'Antoni finally got desperate, and showed some fire.

I wished he had had that same fire, that same urgency, from the start of the season.

The Knicks were playing pretty good basketball pre-trade. Heck after the trade they were 6-3 at one point. The goal this year was to make the playoffs and we're still on target. MDA get's no credit for this? 8-11 since the trade is tough to deal with but crap like this happens. Losing streaks tend to create a sense of urgency.

They were 8-12 for the 20 games prior to the trade.

You mean the toughest stretch of the entire season? 8-12 was about right for a .500 team over that stretch.

And, if we're cherry picking stretches of the season, they were 6-5 over the 11 games prior to the trade.

misterearl wrote:We would only win 60 games if we had Andre Miller and Marcus Camby.

One Jeff Van Gundy passed on. The other Layden gave away with Nene for Antonio McDyess.

Just shoot me.

ha. put down the gun.

how about this act of stupidity - the denver nuggets cut costs by giving away marcus camby right before they pick up chauncey billups and go to the wcf against the lakers. imagine how that outcome could have been different if they had had camby on the boards against the la bigs along with nene, martin and andersen for that series.