Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:Why are you talking about his class?

Because that's what I take from the article. That you'd want him dragging his coach thru the mud pubublicly speaks more about you than Walsh.

Didn't say that either...

He could easily say he expects more out of his players and coach. The record since trade isn't reflective of the kind of effort needed to be better. While I take responsibility for making the trade and putting this team together, it's going to take collective effort from everyone to fix this. I'm currently evaluating everything at the moment to help this team get better including how we function as a unit.

See no dragging through the mud here and no this isn't some pristine model of how to talk to the press as Walsh has proven he's more than capable of knowing how to talk the talk

OTOH.....Stop going to the press saying it's not the coach's or players fault. We don't need to hear this anymore.

That's fine you took that from the article. Not everyone agrees with your take nor mine(although I caught his Mother Heness).... which speaks volumes about interpretation

That works on message boards to placate the masses, but in the NY media that's like taking a magnifying glass to an ant colony in July.

You don't like the job Walsh has done, fine, but I don't see these comments as grounds for concern. On the contrary, Donnie's confidence and willingness to (publicly) take the heat to protect the rest is exactly what is needed, and the antithesis of Isiah and all he brought that wasn't needed.

Internally, do you really think there isn't enough pressure already? Do you honestly think this is an assemblage of people who A) dont care, and B) are too stupid to understand the stakes involved such that they need to hear "we need more effort" via a news blurb?

FWIW, they're rhetorical questions.

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:Why are you talking about his class?

Because that's what I take from the article. That you'd want him dragging his coach thru the mud pubublicly speaks more about you than Walsh.

Didn't say that either...

He could easily say he expects more out of his players and coach. The record since trade isn't reflective of the kind of effort needed to be better. While I take responsibility for making the trade and putting this team together, it's going to take collective effort from everyone to fix this. I'm currently evaluating everything at the moment to help this team get better including how we function as a unit.

See no dragging through the mud here and no this isn't some pristine model of how to talk to the press as Walsh has proven he's more than capable of knowing how to talk the talk

OTOH.....Stop going to the press saying it's not the coach's or players fault. We don't need to hear this anymore.

That's fine you took that from the article. Not everyone agrees with your take nor mine(although I caught his Mother Heness).... which speaks volumes about interpretation

That works on message boards to placate the masses, but in the NY media that's like taking a magnifying glass to an ant colony in July.

You don't like the job Walsh has done, fine, but I don't see these comments as grounds for concern. On the contrary, Donnie's confidence and willingness to (publicly) take the heat to protect the rest is exactly what is needed, and the antithesis of Isiah and all he brought that wasn't needed.

Internally, do you really think there isn't enough pressure already? Do you honestly think this is an assemblage of people who A) dont care, and B) are too stupid to understand the stakes involved such that they need to hear "we need more effort" via a news blurb?

FWIW, they're rhetorical questions.

Blueseats--you want to throw Denver any more assets for melo--maybe T douglas and a 2018--remember melo was the tell all for this team

BRIGGS wrote:
Blueseats--you want to throw Denver any more assets for melo--maybe T douglas and a 2018--remember melo was the tell all for this team

Briggs, they gave up more than you, I or Donnie wanted to. You want to blame me and Walsh for that, so be it. And I'll blame you for giving up on Anthony Randolph so early since you were posting trades when I was posting to keep him (and Moz) and bring him along slowly.

What I don't get is with all the threads out there you pick this one to bring this crap up?

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:Why are you talking about his class?

Because that's what I take from the article. That you'd want him dragging his coach thru the mud pubublicly speaks more about you than Walsh.

Didn't say that either...

He could easily say he expects more out of his players and coach. The record since trade isn't reflective of the kind of effort needed to be better. While I take responsibility for making the trade and putting this team together, it's going to take collective effort from everyone to fix this. I'm currently evaluating everything at the moment to help this team get better including how we function as a unit.

See no dragging through the mud here and no this isn't some pristine model of how to talk to the press as Walsh has proven he's more than capable of knowing how to talk the talk

OTOH.....Stop going to the press saying it's not the coach's or players fault. We don't need to hear this anymore.

That's fine you took that from the article. Not everyone agrees with your take nor mine(although I caught his Mother Heness).... which speaks volumes about interpretation

That works on message boards to placate the masses, but in the NY media that's like taking a magnifying glass to an ant colony in July.

You don't like the job Walsh has done, fine, but I don't see these comments as grounds for concern. On the contrary, Donnie's confidence and willingness to (publicly) take the heat to protect the rest is exactly what is needed, and the antithesis of Isiah and all he brought that wasn't needed.

Internally, do you really think there isn't enough pressure already? Do you honestly think this is an assemblage of people who A) dont care, and B) are too stupid to understand the stakes involved such that they need to hear "we need more effort" via a news blurb?

FWIW, they're rhetorical questions.

Not when he's apologized before on multiple occasions prior to. Not to mention it's more of a trap after every time a move is made and it doesn't work out as planned. He's done his fair share of apologizing. He shouldn't take the bullet every time negative results surface. No one believes this is any one persons fault but most certainly no one should be publicly absolved from blame on a continual basis. Just think, he takes every bullet right? Dolan agrees he's at fault and dismisses the CLASS, which could allow the rest of this cesspool to remain....uhhhhh that's not right. Be a straight shooter telling it like it is and fess to some shortcomings not all of it.

C) Do you think there are fans who want him to apologize for the next move gone wrong

D) Do you think think there are fans who would want him to make an even stand

last but not least

E for ETHER) He called out scouts that weren't his hire publicly on not providing him enough intel to draft Jennings...did fans need to hear this after having not seen Jordan Hill play that many games and early on in the season?

Let's exercise similar demand publicly of the same accountability 3yrs and several moves made into the process.

You win. Donnie is a punk.

No he has a quality within him as time goes by becomes a weakness when problems arise or when things don't work out. I'll never compare Walsh to a weasel GM but instead to other GMs that are of his ilk, I would only want to be fair to Walsh.

I mean let's be real we know he's trying to build a championship team. No one expects us to win a chip this year(although we can dream). We're just perplexed as to why we're 7-12 and rapidly descending with hazy foggy accountability and merky resolutions bantered about after giving up so much.

Juice wrote:No he has a quality within him as time goes by becomes a weakness when problems arise or when things don't work out. I'll never compare Walsh to a weasel GM but instead to other GMs that are of his ilk, I would only want to be fair to Walsh.

I mean let's be real we know he's trying to build a championship team. No one expects us to win a chip this year(although we can dream). We're just perplexed as to why we're 7-12 and rapidly descending with hazy foggy accountability and merky resolutions bantered about after giving up so much.

This is simply reality as a fan. No organization is fully transparent, it would be a garish reality show if it were. Isiah's trial was a look inside at a weak leader parading around like a petite tyrant, trying to give equally weak power mongering wannabees (Dolan) a hard-on with his moves. The supreme overlord gazing down on his underlings from his tunnel perch. Holding everyone accountable but himself. Enough of that.

The answer to your questions shall remain a mystery. They might be spoken of after they have been fixed, or perhaps by a journalist who breaches the wall, but largely they'd still be speculations. It's not one thing but many. meanwhile it would be foolish of Walsh to make pubic statements about others. Let everyone take equal responsibility for themselves.

Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Juice wrote:No he has a quality within him as time goes by becomes a weakness when problems arise or when things don't work out. I'll never compare Walsh to a weasel GM but instead to other GMs that are of his ilk, I would only want to be fair to Walsh.

I mean let's be real we know he's trying to build a championship team. No one expects us to win a chip this year(although we can dream). We're just perplexed as to why we're 7-12 and rapidly descending with hazy foggy accountability and merky resolutions bantered about after giving up so much.

This is simply reality as a fan. No organization is fully transparent, it would be a garish reality show if it were. Isiah's trial was a look inside at a weak leader parading around like a petite tyrant, trying to give equally weak power mongering wannabees (Dolan) a hard-on with his moves. The supreme overlord gazing down on his underlings from his tunnel perch. Holding everyone accountable but himself. Enough of that.

The answer to your questions shall remain a mystery. They might be spoken of after they have been fixed, or perhaps by a journalist who breaches the wall, but largely they'd still be speculations. It's not one thing but many. meanwhile it would be foolish of Walsh to make pubic statements about others. Let everyone take equal responsibility for themselves.

There you go comparing him to a weasel GM again who was never a standard to begin with...

NO YOU WIN!

He's the standard of GM's who sell their coaches out in the press, which seems to be a requirement of yours.

BlueSeats wrote:BTW, I just mysteriously lost 2 hrs of computer work in the midst of a grueling day. I'm an ardent saver, but the damn file is just GONE. I'm heartbroken. 'Scuse me while I cry.

If it was a Word(Office) file usually you can retrieve it from your Temp Directory

Juice wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't have a problem with Walsh defending his coach. However, he keeps trying to make this marriage work instead of admitting that the D'Antoni hire was a mistake. I also think it says a lot about D'Antoni when he had the chance to come out and support the guy who has his back a month ago and he just answered in a way to save his own skin. If you don't defend a guy like Donnie Walsh after all that he has done to defend, and protect you I can't respect your character.

Great point

OH GEEZ!!! This is much to do about nothing. Mike and Donnie have a tough job to do, but to think we know what their relationship is based on a comment to the press is silly. I don't see any real divide between them and it seems to me that they are trying to work together to make things work.

Donnie knows that he needs to upgrade the teams core of bigs and to find a permanent solution at PG. I would assume he'll also look to upgrade SG. Those are our real areas of need. You fix those and I don't think there's any reason to make a change at coach. This team is still flawed as it was to start the year and as it was the previous two years. However, now we know who the cornerstones of the franchise are and it's easier to build a team when you have the building blocks in place.