TD is able to get his shots in the system, but since he's not a great PnR passer, he doesn't always make the best decision with the ball outside of calling his own number or dumping it off to another perimeter player. Still it's better than what CB has been able to do, cuz TD can penetrate and shoot and thus he causes problems for the defense and they have to react. If he was able to see the floor and make the pass he'd be perfect.

From CB's comments it's clear that he's not trying to sabotage the team, but is merely having the same issues as every PG we've had trying to learn this system. If you aren't a natural passer who has great PG instincts this system is going to challenge you. This is why a Nash or CP3 will excel in this system. It's a great fit for what they already do very well. If you dropped Nash in here right now he'd have this team humming even tho he doesn't know most of the players. It's simply a matter of knowing how to force the defense to react to you and exploiting the reactions. Once the players are up in a spread floor, the next move the PG makes should be an aggressive one. Even if he really doesn't intend on calling his own number, he must become a convincing threat to do that, so that the defense MUST react to what he's doing. Even if he gives up the ball, his cut should be aggressive so that a defender has no choice but to react to him. If the defense doesn't see a legit threat they don't react and nothing opens up. You end up passing it around the perimeter going nowhere, which is what happens to us.

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:It will take time but Billups will get it and when he does, the Knicks are going to roll into the playoffs and do damage. Have patience good things will happen.

I understand the patience part to learn new players and offense/defense sets. But I don't understand the 2-5 high school level PG mistakes he is making a game.

Mistakes are part of the learning. To me all mistakes look like High School level mistakes when a player is learning a new system. How many High School level mistakes did Felton make until it started to click for him. I really do think that hip pointer that he got is a lingering injury that is affecting his mobility making it tough for him.

If you think I'm kidding, go to espn stats and see for yourself, I did and it was alarming to know this. When TD got the start he played very well going 4-1, the one loss we had he played terrible. As long as billups stuggles the knicks will follow suit...gosh I miss felton cause when he struggle offensively he atleast (not saying his struggles didn't effect the team) got everybody else involve. Billups is making both amare and melo look bad, and doesn't get fields and williams enough touches.

soundcrib wrote:Billups cannot run this offense.

D'antoni describing pick and roll:

nixluva wrote:Guys seem to be missing the POINT! The PG is the heart of the action and for good reason. In this system someone has to be creating the tempo, forcing the defense to react to what we're doing and reading the defensive reaction. It's virtually guaranteed to create a great shot or easy goal at the basket. There are no two ways about that. This system works, but you have to have a competent PG who can penetrate, pass and shoot. The second that you have a player who can do those things you will have a highly efficient offense.

TD is able to get his shots in the system, but since he's not a great PnR passer, he doesn't always make the best decision with the ball outside of calling his own number or dumping it off to another perimeter player. Still it's better than what CB has been able to do, cuz TD can penetrate and shoot and thus he causes problems for the defense and they have to react. If he was able to see the floor and make the pass he'd be perfect.

From CB's comments it's clear that he's not trying to sabotage the team, but is merely having the same issues as every PG we've had trying to learn this system. If you aren't a natural passer who has great PG instincts this system is going to challenge you. This is why a Nash or CP3 will excel in this system. It's a great fit for what they already do very well. If you dropped Nash in here right now he'd have this team humming even tho he doesn't know most of the players. It's simply a matter of knowing how to force the defense to react to you and exploiting the reactions. Once the players are up in a spread floor, the next move the PG makes should be an aggressive one. Even if he really doesn't intend on calling his own number, he must become a convincing threat to do that, so that the defense MUST react to what he's doing. Even if he gives up the ball, his cut should be aggressive so that a defender has no choice but to react to him. If the defense doesn't see a legit threat they don't react and nothing opens up. You end up passing it around the perimeter going nowhere, which is what happens to us.