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Nalod
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3/24/2011  8:44 AM
I read last week in Milwaukee they didn't practice but watched video in the hotel.

These guys are banged up and usually come in for treatments for injuries. They can come in and shoot around and perhaps work with coaches on things one on one.

This notion of them doing nothing is silly.

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3/24/2011  9:33 AM
Nalod wrote:I read last week in Milwaukee they didn't practice but watched video in the hotel.

These guys are banged up and usually come in for treatments for injuries. They can come in and shoot around and perhaps work with coaches on things one on one.

This notion of them doing nothing is silly.

This. franco, Killa. Practice is when the dudes physically get it on, they don't count video sessions and whatnot as practice, and they do that stuff on off days.

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3/24/2011  9:49 AM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks no longer allowed to use the "not enough practice time" excuse. Could have practiced Sat. and didn't. Can practice Thursday but won't
http://twitter.com/fisolanydn

This is the thing with Isola: He's not really a good reporter.

No mention/consideration of 4 games in 5 days, with Saturday as the midpoint. Also no thought about travel days as well, cause both the Friday and Sunday games are away.

And then he blames something on team that has not yet happened. Yay for reporting.

Wow this is a first for Martin rarely criticize reporters. But you make a very valid point. Amare needs the time off he looked tired. This will be good for the team they have I believe 4 games in 6 days coming up.

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3/24/2011  9:52 AM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:I read last week in Milwaukee they didn't practice but watched video in the hotel.

These guys are banged up and usually come in for treatments for injuries. They can come in and shoot around and perhaps work with coaches on things one on one.

This notion of them doing nothing is silly.

This. franco, Killa. Practice is when the dudes physically get it on, they don't count video sessions and whatnot as practice, and they do that stuff on off days.

There is such a thing as burnout. These guys have games, shootarounds, therapy, game film, travel, etc, just about everyday. There are no weekends in the NBA.

It doesn't do a person harm to have a day with the wife/kids, not have to be with teammates/bosses you don't like, not have to talk to the press, to be able to watch some tube, take a bath, get a blow job before a nap.

I know these guys get pad a lot of money and all, and I'm not exactly feeling pity for them, but between NY and Denver there's been a hell of a lot of pressure and scrutiny this year. Fried bodies and minds are not conducive to excellence. A day off here and there in a grueling month of a grueling season is not outrageous.

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3/24/2011  10:27 AM
I keep going back to Coach John Wooden because (1) he was good and (2) he played a fast paced game. He used to threaten to end practice if people half assed it. That was a threat. And the players listened. Well, I know the NBA is different than college, but the point isn't lost. Practice is where good habits are formed, bad ones broken, and attention to detail is realized. I don't think it is coincidence that the team lacks effort and intensity because, well, we have tomorrow off!!
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3/24/2011  10:35 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:I read last week in Milwaukee they didn't practice but watched video in the hotel.

These guys are banged up and usually come in for treatments for injuries. They can come in and shoot around and perhaps work with coaches on things one on one.

This notion of them doing nothing is silly.

This. franco, Killa. Practice is when the dudes physically get it on, they don't count video sessions and whatnot as practice, and they do that stuff on off days.

There is such a thing as burnout. These guys have games, shootarounds, therapy, game film, travel, etc, just about everyday. There are no weekends in the NBA.

It doesn't do a person harm to have a day with the wife/kids, not have to be with teammates/bosses you don't like, not have to talk to the press, to be able to watch some tube, take a bath, get a blow job before a nap.

I know these guys get pad a lot of money and all, and I'm not exactly feeling pity for them, but between NY and Denver there's been a hell of a lot of pressure and scrutiny this year. Fried bodies and minds are not conducive to excellence. A day off here and there in a grueling month of a grueling season is not outrageous.


good post... and expanding the rotation can't hurt either.. I am just blown away that a guy like rautins and brown can't give 5-10 minutes. we have jeffries out there who is completely inept on offense, shawn williams who just shoot threes.. I mean, we can't find any time for guys, especially guys like brown who bring athleticism and defense?

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3/24/2011  10:55 AM
tkf wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:I read last week in Milwaukee they didn't practice but watched video in the hotel.

These guys are banged up and usually come in for treatments for injuries. They can come in and shoot around and perhaps work with coaches on things one on one.

This notion of them doing nothing is silly.

This. franco, Killa. Practice is when the dudes physically get it on, they don't count video sessions and whatnot as practice, and they do that stuff on off days.

There is such a thing as burnout. These guys have games, shootarounds, therapy, game film, travel, etc, just about everyday. There are no weekends in the NBA.

It doesn't do a person harm to have a day with the wife/kids, not have to be with teammates/bosses you don't like, not have to talk to the press, to be able to watch some tube, take a bath, get a blow job before a nap.

I know these guys get pad a lot of money and all, and I'm not exactly feeling pity for them, but between NY and Denver there's been a hell of a lot of pressure and scrutiny this year. Fried bodies and minds are not conducive to excellence. A day off here and there in a grueling month of a grueling season is not outrageous.


good post... and expanding the rotation can't hurt either.. I am just blown away that a guy like rautins and brown can't give 5-10 minutes. we have jeffries out there who is completely inept on offense, shawn williams who just shoot threes.. I mean, we can't find any time for guys, especially guys like brown who bring athleticism and defense?

tkf, Rautins? Did you see him in scrap time about 2 weeks ago? Perhaps you meant Anthony Carter?

I think Shawn Williams is a tad more than 1-dimensional, he tries and plays D, not the best but my expectations aren't that high for him especially considering he is more of a SF/PF defender that a PF/C defender.

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3/24/2011  11:00 AM
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks no longer allowed to use the "not enough practice time" excuse. Could have practiced Sat. and didn't. Can practice Thursday but won't
http://twitter.com/fisolanydn

This is the thing with Isola: He's not really a good reporter.

No mention/consideration of 4 games in 5 days, with Saturday as the midpoint. Also no thought about travel days as well, cause both the Friday and Sunday games are away.

And then he blames something on team that has not yet happened. Yay for reporting.



Wow this is a first for Martin rarely criticize reporters.
But you make a very valid point. Amare needs the time off he looked tired. This will be good for the team they have I believe 4 games in 6 days coming up.

Yeah, I don't usually like to go there. But really, Isola goes back and forth on Twitter with Childs2Dudly with the insults (and I am guessing a lot of other fans too). And now it seems like he had a tiff with TommyD from the Knicks Blog in the same manor. Isn't he supposed to be a professional? Seems more like a spoiled brat. Could just be his online persona and him trying to garner hits and eyeballs the same way Steven A. Smith pushes his crap.

I hate what ESPN has done to sports reporting, kind of what Fox has done to news and political "reporting". Sensationalism sells.

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3/24/2011  12:35 PM
We all understand the 4 games in 5 days excuse and there is validity to it, but it goes much much deeper than that. Antoni's "practices" have been notorious for a few things since his Phoenix Suns days and they've continued here.

Those things are:

1) Lack of attention to defense
2) Practices run very short
3) Lack of intensity

Because of this there is a perception that the Knicks don't work hard because it's not demanded by the head coach that they work hard and that they're unprepared, especially on the defensive end. Concerning Antoni's Knicks, these things haven't been a problem since the Melo trade but for his entire 3 years here. People like to use the quality of the players and the turnover as an excuse but there is never an excuse for not preparing these players on both ends of the court and demanding that they give max effort in practice and in games.

p.s. Why was there a practiced scheduled for today anyway when the Knicks staff knew about the March schedule and the 4 games in 5 days thing ahead of time?

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3/24/2011  12:52 PM
islesfan wrote:We all understand the 4 games in 5 days excuse and there is validity to it, but it goes much much deeper than that. Antoni's "practices" have been notorious for a few things since his Phoenix Suns days and they've continued here.

Those things are:

1) Lack of attention to defense
2) Practices run very short
3) Lack of intensity

Because of this there is a perception that the Knicks don't work hard because it's not demanded by the head coach that they work hard and that they're unprepared, especially on the defensive end. Concerning Antoni's Knicks, these things haven't been a problem since the Melo trade but for his entire 3 years here. People like to use the quality of the players and the turnover as an excuse but there is never an excuse for not preparing these players on both ends of the court and demanding that they give max effort in practice and in games.

p.s. Why was there a practiced scheduled for today anyway when the Knicks staff knew about the March schedule and the 4 games in 5 days thing ahead of time?

Makes perfect sense too because when you look at the minutes played/gm really what player realistically could go hard in practice on a consistent basis and play those amount of minutes? I think this is his way of making sure he can get the 40min out of his horses without passing out although Amar'e is close. We've seen it every year though. You saw Duhon get ran into the ground....Lee wilted late last year. Al Harrington was played heavy minutes with a bad knee to the point he couldn't go anymore....Felton was showing signs before the trade.

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3/25/2011  12:16 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks no longer allowed to use the "not enough practice time" excuse. Could have practiced Sat. and didn't. Can practice Thursday but won't
http://twitter.com/fisolanydn

remember how Isola was wording the bolded part as a bad thing the Knicks were gonna do, the insinuation that canceling Thursday practice would be a bad thing in his eyes... check out today's article by Isola:

When Amar'e Stoudemire took one look at the Knicks' practice schedule for Thursday, he shook his head, requested a meeting with the coach - pronto - and, within minutes, the announcement came down that Stoudemire and his teammates were being given the day off.

"If nothing else," one player said, "we need a break from each other."

That was the scene inside the Knicks' locker room late Wednesday following the 111-99 loss to Orlando. The players are tired, frustrated and yet optimistic that a turnaround is in their future.

"These times are not going to last forever," Carmelo Anthony said.

The decision to cancel practice was the appropriate call by Mike D'Antoni, even if it came at the behest of Stoudemire, who admitted to being physically worn down. The Knicks are going through a difficult stretch in March, playing 18 games, including next Monday's asbestos make-up with Orlando. The physical toll is second only to the emotional beatdown the Knicks are experiencing from losing 10 of 17 games since acquiring Anthony and Chauncey Billups from Denver.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/03/25/2011-03-25_tired_knicks_cant_rest_easy.html

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3/25/2011  12:24 PM
The gold reporting and writing doesn't stop from Isola:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2011/03/plenty-to-blame-for-knicks-woes-but-excuses-must-stop

Fields is a nice player but the Knicks would have been better off keeping either Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler.

I guess Frank is suggesting that perhaps Knicks had a choice of making the package Gallo/Fields or Chandler/Fields instead of Gallo/Chandler for 2 out of 3 players to trade away.

Awesome.

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3/25/2011  1:33 PM
martin wrote:I hate what ESPN has done to sports reporting, kind of what Fox has done to news and political "reporting". Sensationalism sells.

So does burying New York teams (warranted or unwarranted) at every opportunity.

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3/25/2011  2:00 PM
Im suprised how knowlegable many of us are given we have never been to a practice. And we assume other teams are just doing much much more?

Regarding the "flip flop", can we really trust any reports?

What if the practice was in place but was cancelled and made to look like Amare was the guy who got them out? Think it installs a bit of leadership cred? Alpha installed.

If Im MDA I let Amare take the credit. If Im amare I let it happen. Maybe its this way, maybe not.

Reporters have to report something even if its crap.

We don't have to comment on everything but many do. Reporters are around the players a lot more than we are and we project all kinds of stuff.

I don't feel sorry for these guys but they are under enormous pressure as are the coaches.

COllege players are taught good habits and the work ethic.

A professional player, or any other profession is expected to show up and perform. College players eat together. A pro knows how to take care of his body. College players have curfew. Pro's know how much to sleep and when to go to bed. College players get motivated to play by coaches and play on emotion. They play up to 30 games a season. Pro's are PAID to play at least 82 games. A pro does not get emotional motivation 82 times to play for its city. A pro is motivated by money and is responsable for living up to the contract. A pro comes prepared. If not, there are perhaps a 100 guys ready and hungry to take that spot.

Thats why some get the contracts and some don't. We can talk about AR and other players talent but we don't know if they are "professional" or not in how they show up.

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3/25/2011  4:18 PM
My coach would instill a taper period in which the team would gradually cut down on hard training as the end of season tournament approached.

I think most coaches do this...

Had enough Melo?
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3/25/2011  4:45 PM
"we need a break from each other."

i wonder what's going on. turmoil in the locker room? not good.

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3/25/2011  4:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2011  4:56 PM
SlimChin wrote:"we need a break from each other."

i wonder what's going on. turmoil in the locker room? not good.

First it was about getting used to the new teammates, now its about seeing too much of each other. I'm wondering the same thing.

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3/25/2011  5:29 PM
They haven't had much of a break due to the intense schedule in March. This month has 18 games in 31 days. That doesn't leave a lot of down time. Games have been with only 1 day off in between. We've had 4 back to back sets this month and the month isn't even over yet. We start our 5th bac2bac tonight. It's not an excuse, but an explanation of what's going on.
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