Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I don't believe the Denver office when they said they did not want to trade Billups.

Expressing disinterest in our players, not returning phone calls, not wanting to give up Billups, running the table with the Russian... At every turn they were masterful in hustling max value out of Dolan.

Agreed. They pulled one over on the Knicks. Depending on which guys they keep and at what price, it's a very solid team ala Browns's Detroit

which is the example I used over and over and over and over

You CAN win a title without "superstars"

You load your team 8-9 deep with SIZE, athletic skilled versatile players who defend and you can beat anyone. We were working towards that model for sure

That model was a failure. You talk about Detroit. That team had stars on it they had an all world defensive center a star pf in Rasheed probably at that time the most versatile PF in the game with his inside outside game. They had Hamilton who was a borderline star and Prince who at the time was a close to becoming a star with his clutch play and knowledge of the game which gave him an edge. Not to mention a Star PG who hit shots. Stop the BS that Detroit didn't have stars they had plenty of stand out players on the team. That team had defensive superstars.

That team also was given time to improve and they did. It would have been great to watch the kids do this for us. Right now, it is not fair for Melo but that is what happens when you gut the team for 1 player.

NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I don't believe the Denver office when they said they did not want to trade Billups.

Expressing disinterest in our players, not returning phone calls, not wanting to give up Billups, running the table with the Russian... At every turn they were masterful in hustling max value out of Dolan.

Agreed. They pulled one over on the Knicks. Depending on which guys they keep and at what price, it's a very solid team ala Browns's Detroit

which is the example I used over and over and over and over

You CAN win a title without "superstars"

You load your team 8-9 deep with SIZE, athletic skilled versatile players who defend and you can beat anyone. We were working towards that model for sure

That model was a failure. You talk about Detroit. That team had stars on it they had an all world defensive center a star pf in Rasheed probably at that time the most versatile PF in the game with his inside outside game. They had Hamilton who was a borderline star and Prince who at the time was a close to becoming a star with his clutch play and knowledge of the game which gave him an edge. Not to mention a Star PG who hit shots. Stop the BS that Detroit didn't have stars they had plenty of stand out players on the team. That team had defensive superstars.

That team also was given time to improve and they did. It would have been great to watch the kids do this for us. Right now, it is not fair for Melo but that is what happens when you gut the team for 1 player.

Its going to happen just give it time. Everyone needs to step off the ledge and get back inside.

NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I don't believe the Denver office when they said they did not want to trade Billups.

Expressing disinterest in our players, not returning phone calls, not wanting to give up Billups, running the table with the Russian... At every turn they were masterful in hustling max value out of Dolan.

Agreed. They pulled one over on the Knicks. Depending on which guys they keep and at what price, it's a very solid team ala Browns's Detroit

which is the example I used over and over and over and over

You CAN win a title without "superstars"

You load your team 8-9 deep with SIZE, athletic skilled versatile players who defend and you can beat anyone. We were working towards that model for sure

That model was a failure. You talk about Detroit. That team had stars on it they had an all world defensive center a star pf in Rasheed probably at that time the most versatile PF in the game with his inside outside game. They had Hamilton who was a borderline star and Prince who at the time was a close to becoming a star with his clutch play and knowledge of the game which gave him an edge. Not to mention a Star PG who hit shots. Stop the BS that Detroit didn't have stars they had plenty of stand out players on the team. That team had defensive superstars.

That team also was given time to improve and they did. It would have been great to watch the kids do this for us. Right now, it is not fair for Melo but that is what happens when you gut the team for 1 player.

Its going to happen just give it time. Everyone needs to step off the ledge and get back inside.

I was talking about Gallo. Chandler, Timo and Felton. They were never given the time. It is now happening again with this current Knick team but from other people. The trade was bad. There is no denying it. Everytime you trade 4 rotation players in season where all 4 has started for our team in 1 time or another then you expect to do bad until next season. We went from needing 1 more player to needing a boat load of players. Not good.

yea, we have taken some huge steps backwards... filling in the talent on this team is not going to be as easy as some think..

BlueSeats wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I don't believe the Denver office when they said they did not want to trade Billups.

Expressing disinterest in our players, not returning phone calls, not wanting to give up Billups, running the table with the Russian... At every turn they were masterful in hustling max value out of Dolan.

It didn't help matters when our GM cried very early to the media like a bich on several occasions stating this(Whan Whan "They Don't Like Our Players" and "It Dont Give A Damn What They're Looking For If We Can't Discuss A Deal"). He should have kept his prune face shut and said a deal will get done when it gets done and if it involves us you'll be the first to find out. Then the ridiculous statement he made about Chandler after the San Antonio game out of nowhere, which I believe he was trying to use reverse psychology and it backfired something fierce. The team started to play poorly after those remarks.

Walsh got bodied by Morey last year.... didn't learn his lesson and Ujiri all but came in to finish him off.

But here we are still sitting on confusion and time just like the team..... "because did Donnie make this trade or was it Dolan?"......

I guess we'll have 11 more games/practices/days off/1rst or 2nd Playoff exit to draw the final conclusion because that's how Knick fans operate in this new age generation....."My Mind Believes This But My Heart Tells Me This Therefore I'm Playing The Scoreboard"

NYKBocker wrote:

Juice wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:I don't believe the Denver office when they said they did not want to trade Billups.

Expressing disinterest in our players, not returning phone calls, not wanting to give up Billups, running the table with the Russian... At every turn they were masterful in hustling max value out of Dolan.

It didn't help matters when our GM cried very early to the media like a bich on several occasions stating this(Whan Whan They Don't Like Our Players and "It Dont Give A Damn What They're Looking For If We Can't Discuss A Deal). He should have kept his prune face shut and said a deal will get done when it gets and if it involves us you'll be the first to find out. Then the ridiculous statement he made about Chandler after the San Antonio game out of nowhere, which I believe he was trying to use reverse psychology and it backfired something fierce. Walsh got bodied by Morey.... didn't learn his lesson and Ujiri all but came in to finish him off.

But here we are still sitting on confusion and time just like the team..... "because did Donnie make this trade or was it Dolan?"......

I guess we'll have 11 more games/practices/days off/1rst or 2nd Playoffs exit to draw the final conclusion because that's how Knick fans operate in this new age generation....."My Mind Believes This But My Heart Tells Me This Therefore I'm Playing The Scoreboard"

Holy Crap. Donnie is to blame now?

No he didn't help the situation at all, is what I'm saying. He hasn't had COMPLETE AUTONOMY since his hiring like Dolan said he would. He's a glorified Paper Pusher. We need someone young and bold who may have the ability to come in here shake Dolan up a little bit to see the light. Sad thing is Dolan is probably having candle light dinners and romanticizing careless whispers with Zeke for the return

Some of you just love mediocrity. I've never heard so much bellyaching over a bunch of mediocre (or below) players who produced a mediocre record. You guys act like the Knicks broke up a championship team with future hall of famers on it. Come back to reality.

islesfan wrote:If you guys love those players so much, why don't you just marry them?

Some of you just love mediocrity. I've never heard so much bellyaching over a bunch of mediocre (or below) players who produced a mediocre record. You guys act like the Knicks broke up a championship team with future hall of famers on it. Come back to reality.

When you are the 6th seed and have like the 4th youngest team in the league and have oodles of room to grow with ~$14M in cap space... is that mediocrity? Or just a young team with lots of growing room?

nykshaknbake wrote:Maybe Mda didn't invent ball spacing and shooting 3s? It's just that Mda's strategy forces chucking 3s'. Or is Mda the reason the Spurs are so good?

nixluva wrote:Spurs were up big most of the 1st half. The Spurs are very clearly playing MDA style BB. They spread the floor, move the ball, make cuts and shoot 3's.

Pop's system is different.

It's not predicated on getting 3's out of a base PNR set, they don't shoot them early in transition, and they don't shoot the first open 3

His is predicated off of dribble penetration from either guard spot, ISO spacing from out top beyond the arc, or out of the post on double teams with ball movement in every scenario. He wants to use the clock as much as possible so the other teams has to play D and commit to trapping or doubling a guy in a triple threat position.

The only player on their team who goes a little haywire sometimes is Ginobli, but that's a give and take situation there.

islesfan wrote:If you guys love those players so much, why don't you just marry them?

Some of you just love mediocrity. I've never heard so much bellyaching over a bunch of mediocre (or below) players who produced a mediocre record. You guys act like the Knicks broke up a championship team with future hall of famers on it. Come back to reality.

No, not a championship team.

But a team.

Which is more than we can say for the cluster **** they field these days.

knickstorrents wrote:

islesfan wrote:If you guys love those players so much, why don't you just marry them?

Some of you just love mediocrity. I've never heard so much bellyaching over a bunch of mediocre (or below) players who produced a mediocre record. You guys act like the Knicks broke up a championship team with future hall of famers on it. Come back to reality.

Actually no, I don't like Melo, so not sure why you think I would like mediocrity. Mediocrity is a sub 500, capped out team with no youth or potential. That's mediocrity. Congrats.

Yep, get comfortable guys. We are going to have about 10 years of this unless the direction of this team is significantly changed.