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3/21/2011  10:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2011  11:31 PM
The Difference between the Celtics and Knicks (or Knicks and Cavs for that matter) is not simply talent.

The nouveau Knicks are gradually learning New York toughness the hard way. The Celtics have been together through enough battles to have trust in each other. They understand how to assert their personality on a game at a critical minute when a stop, or a critical shot, is needed. There is no hesitation.

As strange as it seems, the Cavs learned toughness via a 26 game losing streak. They did not implode and came back battling harder when they finally won one.

The Knicks are still searching and will continue to search, for an identity. They desperately need collective experience. They must go through more brutal battles to discover how to execute without fear when the pressure is on.

For a roster of tourists, that will require at least a year together for the concept of "team" to become intuitive.

Looking forward to March 2012.

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3/21/2011  11:53 PM
A Chemistry Lesson

“Truly you cannot try to come to a team like this and try to win on your terms,” he said. “I know because I know when I went from Milwaukee to Seattle, there was a space open for me; like there were 25 points, 6-7 rebounds, 5 or 6 assists, based on the void that Gary Payton left.

“But here, that void was no longer there, where I needed to shoot the ball 19 to 23 times. So you have to temper how you pick and choose the shots you are going to get, and how else you can help win a game. Now, I might have to set a good screen, or get a big rebound or make a sharp cut so someone else can go down the lane for a layup or be open for a 3. But that’s winning on this team’s terms, not on my terms.”

“When you see chemistry, it’s always judged basically in the fourth quarter, executing on both ends of the floor,” Allen said.

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3/22/2011  7:22 AM
What He Really Meant (Guarantee: all dialogue reported verbatim)

What He Said: "I take more responsibility than the players or the coaches because I made a monumental trade in the middle of the season, and it appears to me they're having a hard time getting together, which is understandable," Walsh said.

What He Really Meant: "In the corporate culture someone must fall on his sword every now and then. It just happens to be my turn."

What He Said: "That's why I don't like to do it in the middle of the season," Walsh added. "We gave up a lot. We got back a lot. But I do think this trade is going to make us better in the future. In the long run, this trade will make us a better franchise."

What He Really Meant: "We should be good by the time Kelenna Azubuike's knee heals 100 per cent"

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3/22/2011  7:27 AM
What He Was Really Thinking: "I need a big bottle of scotch and a long night out with firefly."
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3/22/2011  8:54 AM
Marv wrote:What He Was Really Thinking: "I need a big bottle of scotch and a long night out with firefly."

sounding pretty good. The self loathing afterward would be far less than anything I feel from actually staying up to watch the Knicks
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3/22/2011  10:07 AM
Marv wrote:What He Was Really Thinking: "I need a big bottle of scotch and a long night out with firefly."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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3/22/2011  11:24 AM
Ten Things The Nouveau Knicks Need to Do To Become A Team


10. Visit a senior center. That will remind you that time is precious.

9. Wear your Knicks game jersey to bed. Understand the brand promise is bigger than you.

8. One for all. All for one. You see a team mate get hit, you rush to his aid. I don't care if you just met him yesterday.

7. Everyone should attend a voluntary week of workouts in Las Vegas around Summer League and be ready to run non-stop for 48 minutes in September. No exceptions.

6. Leave egos at the door. Even Derrick Brown needs to chill about his minutes. If the starters are sluggish, everyone sits.

5. Work in a homeless shelter serving meals for a day. That will teach humility.

4. Rename Stoudemire the one and only Captain. Remind everyone who the lead dog is - for never accepting defeat.

3. Hit the open man. Have a team goal of 30 assists a night, no matter what the score is. Watch Ronny Turiaf celebrate when a running buddy scores.

2. Do something different outside of basketball. Go bowling. Read a book. Attend a public school assembly in disguise. Do not sign autographs. Talk to some kids at length.

1. The big shot goes to the open man. No matter who it is. That will teach Trust

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3/22/2011  11:32 AM
misterearl wrote:Ten Things The Nouveau Knicks Need to Do To Become A Team


10. Visit a senior center. That will remind you that time is precious.

Plus marv hasn't had visitors in a while. Badum-bum.

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3/22/2011  12:27 PM
Tough Decisions

Chauncey Billups is an ending contract and his heart is not in New York City. It happens. In six months will also be 35 years old. By that standard NBA growth curve, his productivity will have passed its peak.

Timofey Mozgov and Ty Lawson straight up... and whatever else it takes to make the deal work, without including Landry Fields or a first-rounder, of course.

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3/22/2011  12:57 PM
misterearl wrote:Tough Decisions

Chauncey Billups is an ending contract and his heart is not in New York City. It happens. In six months will also be 35 years old. By that standard NBA growth curve, his productivity will have passed its peak.

Timofey Mozgov and Ty Lawson straight up... and whatever else it takes to make the deal work, without including Landry Fields or a first-rounder, of course.

you think Denver would give up Ty for Billups with whatever spare parts?

I would do it, but not sure Denver would.

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3/22/2011  2:55 PM
Donnie Walnuts Is The Cleaner

Masai Ujiri, in a rare repentant mood, and persuaded by a few extra million under the table, considers a second homecoming for the favored son of Denver.

Chauncey is reunited his family.

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3/23/2011  11:06 PM
1. We need a young, feisty, strong-willed, aggressive, pugnacious, driven and unselfish 6'3" lead guard who enjoys leading a good huddle

2. Landry Fields will savor his excellent rookie adventure know exactly what to improve over the Summer.

3. If Carmelo Anthony can be celebrated for the joy of the assist (9 tonight) he can bring the ball up against token pressure. Putting the ball in his hands opens up some options for the pick and pop.

4. Stoudemire should get some rest and heal his knees

5. Help Wanted

6. Shawane Williams is a keeper. At 6'9 he can work on his drives

7. Insert First round draft pick here

8. Toney Douglas can work on his decision making

9. Insert backup center here

10. If Derrick Brown wants to impress, do it in Las Vegas in July

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3/23/2011  11:26 PM
You know that the worst period of a marriage is the first year, since people REALLY find out how they are when they get to live together and some marriages don't make it out of that first year?

This is the era of divorce.

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3/23/2011  11:32 PM
crzymdups wrote:good post, earl.

thinking outside the box a little - what about buying a late first rounder to draft the brazilian marcus camby? i believe he is eligible for the draft because he'll be 19yrs old before the next season starts.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/


This coach doesn't play young bigs. Hill, Darko, Randolph could not get minutes here. The most recent Camby clone is in Minny now as a throw in. He is starting tomorrow night. Walsh knows enough not to chase young big men in the hopes that his coach would play them. That is why all of the guys he got for the team that never were given a chance are gone. It appears that it is why Earl Barron isn't here.
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3/23/2011  11:35 PM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?

He won't play any so the gm has traded all of them away. I think Walsh has realized that it isn't worth getting a traditional big or a young athletic big that needs coaching so he has stopped getting that type of player.
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3/23/2011  11:46 PM
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martin wrote:
Marv wrote:good post.

i'll call you and raise you.

let go of d'antoni.

bring in a guy who wants to utilize bigger players and intensity around the hoop on both sides of the court.

which big players do you recommend this new coach play?


I want to know how long will fans ignore that Mike wanted to play Mosgov, so much that he rushed getting him into the starting lineup. Neither Mike nor Donnie wanted to trade him, but Dolan stepped in. So both Donnie and Mike have to deal with the repercussions of Dolan's decision.

D'Antoni had Moz for 54 games. During that time Moz had 20 dnps and he shared how frustrated and disappointed he was with how things were going. His average minutes for his 54 games as a Knick was 8:30. I think he only revisited playing Moz because he had to and he blew up in that game. Randolph played great in that game as well but he didn't get to reap the benefits from it like Moz.
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3/24/2011  8:14 AM
Knicksfan wrote:You know that the worst period of a marriage is the first year, since people REALLY find out how they are when they get to live together and some marriages don't make it out of that first year?

This is the era of divorce.

This is the first phase in the marriage when you learn that:

- someone STILL has to do the dirty work and take out the trash. Orlando outrebounded us 49-35.

- honesty is the best policy. Billups is either still injured or he lost a step he never had. 3 assists from the lead guard is not enough.

- in order for it to work, everyone needs to contribute. The NYK only had 4 guys in double figures. Turiaf had 9 and looking catching passes inside from Carmelo. 7 is the goal.

- you don't go to bed angry.

- sharing the work load is a good thing. Stoudemire has help. He needs to become a more willing passer.

- tension only makes you sick. "Everybody just relax," (Carmelo) said. "Just go out there, just play basketball. Just play the way you know how to play. These times ain't gonna last forever."

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3/24/2011  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  8:42 AM
“Expectations are not always met immediately.”

- timing is everything. “To me, I think the worst problem, if it was a problem, is when the trade was made,” Jerry West said of the Anthony deal, which was consummated after the All-Star break. “They had established a pattern of play and they gave up a lot of players to get two very good players.”

- your mate looked better when they were with someone else. West said the term (superstars)“is thrown around much too loosely” and that there are only four or five in the N.B.A. He called Stoudemire and Anthony “All-Star caliber players.”

- a great marriage takes time. “I think people are looking for instant gratification,” he said. “With New York, there’s just so much more scrutiny. If someone goes outside and coughs, he’s got pneumonia or something.”

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3/24/2011  9:16 AM
AnubisADL wrote:- We need a starting Center
- We need a starting quality PG
- We need a SG

Beauty of having Amare and Melo is we dont need any of those 3 to be great.

Centers: Samuel Dalembert, Deandre Jordan, Anderson Varejao
SG's: Mayo
PG's: Sessions

Problem is we need to pray for a high hard cap or a decent size exception in the new CBA.

I think Mayo can fill our need at PG and SG but Memphis isn't going to give him away.

It really depends on the cap. If there is a high hard cap, I think we have to wait a year and see if we can sign Deron Williams next summer. Sign Earl Barron, pick up some young PF from the DL, draft a PF, C, or PG, pick up Billups option for next year, and roll with what we got. Then next summer sign Howard, Williams, or Chris Paul, and dominate the league for the next 4 years.

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3/24/2011  9:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2011  9:20 AM
misterearl wrote:Tough Decisions

Chauncey Billups is an ending contract and his heart is not in New York City. It happens. In six months will also be 35 years old. By that standard NBA growth curve, his productivity will have passed its peak.

Timofey Mozgov and Ty Lawson straight up... and whatever else it takes to make the deal work, without including Landry Fields or a first-rounder, of course.

We might get Denver to give us Timmy M back for Billups, but there is no way they are including Lawson unless they think Felton is better, which does not appear to be their opinion since Felton is coming off the bench. I would do that trade in a heartbeat. I would even give them another pick. We need a center badly and I think Timmy M. is going to develop into a starting caliber center who can actually hit an open jumper.

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