CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:How many people are we gonna try to blend into this thing with so little time left!!!!! Give me a freakin break. We already have chemistry issues and now we're making a big deal over a 2nd yr kid with no real rep yet in the league, not getting playing time. He's even lower on the totem pole than Brewer! He needs to shut up and sit. There's some serious man business going on right now and he's in no position to be making demands. Kids used to come in the league and spoke when spoken to. Now they all think they should be playing over vets who have more experience and game.

This team and this coach have been thru more change than I think i've ever seen in my life. This is all virgin ground and no one can say how well any coach would do in the same situation. He hasn't had one season where he could coach a roster from start to finish and come back the next year to see that team grow to the next level. Now we throw a bunch of guys at him, most of whom don't fit what we do and expect perfection with very few games and little practice time. This kid needs to sit tight and be quiet. He was getting playing time on a losing team. This is a different situation entirely.

For the 09-10 season he brought back all the same guys except he added Hill, Douglas and Darko. That team came out of camp and went 1-9. He also did not 'integrate' any of those three players.

revisionist history. Darko didn't integrate himself and dogged it through his time with the Knicks. Douglas was a converted SG who was clueless about how to do his job. And Hill came into camp both out of shape and injured.

nixluva wrote:Man this kid will get his chance, but he's crazy to think that he should be promised any playing time. Just shut up and stay ready. He's not even recognizing that he's in a much better situation being on this team with a chance to actually do something. We have a great core to try and build a title team around and he could be a part of it.

He was ripped away from a team he seemingly wanted to be with and is unhappy and confused.

Perhaps the dysfunction of the Knicks franchise is something he wanted no part of, despite the Knicks having a better record than the Bobcats.

Donnie can't call his moves wins....when the coach makes sure they are losses.

I'm so disgusted with this coach. Please get rid of him at the end of the season please.

You properly assess talent by putting them on the floor, otherwise you're just wasting the player's and the franchise's time

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:I'm so happy he's putting this regime on blast. This kind of crap has to end and look no further than D'AnToni up to his no good ways not playing the kid because well....D'AnToni only wants him on the floor if he 3pt circle jerks.

Donnie can't call his moves wins win the coach makes sure they are losses.

I'm so disgusted with this coach. Please get rid of him at the end of the season please.

Let me know where you would find 10-15 minutes for Brown. Whose minutes would you take away and what guys/rotations would you play him in?

You give him 1-2gms solid look. He deserves to get some minutes it's not debatable. We're not in some kind of winning groove. No excuse not to play a young player who you need to evaluate in real games. No one is tearing it up from the 3-4 position outside of Melo and Amar'e who have had their moments of mediocre sluggish play.

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:I'm so happy he's putting this regime on blast. This kind of crap has to end and look no further than D'AnToni up to his no good ways not playing the kid because well....D'AnToni only wants him on the floor if he 3pt circle jerks.

Donnie can't call his moves wins win the coach makes sure they are losses.

I'm so disgusted with this coach. Please get rid of him at the end of the season please.

Let me know where you would find 10-15 minutes for Brown. Whose minutes would you take away and what guys/rotations would you play him in?

You give him 1-2gms solid look. He deserves to get some minutes it's not debatable. We're not in some kind of winning groove. No excuse not to play a young player who you need to evaluate in real games. No one is tearing it up from the 3-4 position outside of Melo and Amar'e who have had their moments of mediocre sluggish play.

so nada suggestions?

BTW, you show the low functioning posting by continuing to suggest MDA only plays 3point shooters in the face of Jefferies, Turiaf getting minutes over Brown, 2 dudes that play his same position. Shawne is the other guy ahead of Brown in the rotation for minutes at PF/SF, and he is a decent defender, knows the system, had earned them minutes and also compliments the offense completely. I assume you understand that Brown plays the position of Amare/Melo within the offense, right?

I understand that a lot of posters may be frustrated with the Knicks play as of late, but if all you are going to post is drivel, please change or stop it.

SupremeCommander wrote:I wish he, Carter, and Sheldon Williams got some burn. I think they all can contribute in other ways than shooting from 28 feet out. you know, maybe give add some dynamic elements to the team.

MDA's inability to manage varied personnel is aggravating

If he was Jared Dudley he'd get clock

If he was Omri Casspi he'd get clock

If he was Anthony Parker he'd get clock

If he was Rasual Butler he'd get clock

If he was Ryan Anderson he'd get clock

There would be no apologizing talking about where are minutes for such player to play.

Juice wrote:Very interesting picking and choosing going on here. No one is saying Brown should be a lock in the rotation. We're saying give him a look by sitting any of the above players who shouldn't necessarily be locks in the rotation to evaluate him. Really simplistic logic here.

Melo has yet to fit in, Billups hasn't yet fit in, and you want to focus on fitting Brown in on the off chance that he can play 10 minutes a game in a REALLY small lineup?

That's not how teams and decision-making process work. You gotta fix the biggest and most important problems first.

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:Very interesting picking and choosing going on here. No one is saying Brown should be a lock in the rotation. We're saying give him a look by sitting any of the above players who shouldn't necessarily be locks in the rotation to evaluate him. Really simplistic logic here.

Melo has yet to fit in, Billups hasn't yet fit in, and you want to focus on fitting Brown in on the off chance that he can play 10 minutes a game in a REALLY small lineup?

That's not how teams and decision-making process work. You gotta fix the biggest and most important problems first.

Neither was trying to work Jeffries in right away. Neither was dusting Mason off the bench to slide him into the rotation. We're not talking about re-inventing the wheel as you're trying to make this out to be. Give him Williams minutes one game, and Effries minutes another substituting Turiaf alternately. Trying to find minutes for Brown which there are some isn't going to effect the 7-7 record because if so we have the wrong coach on the bench.

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:

Juice wrote:Very interesting picking and choosing going on here. No one is saying Brown should be a lock in the rotation. We're saying give him a look by sitting any of the above players who shouldn't necessarily be locks in the rotation to evaluate him. Really simplistic logic here.

Melo has yet to fit in, Billups hasn't yet fit in, and you want to focus on fitting Brown in on the off chance that he can play 10 minutes a game in a REALLY small lineup?

That's not how teams and decision-making process work. You gotta fix the biggest and most important problems first.

Neither was trying to work Jeffries in right away. Neither was dusting Mason off the bench to slide him into the rotation. We're not talking about re-inventing the wheel as you're trying to make this out to be. Give him Williams minutes one game, and Effries minutes another substituting Turiaf alternately. Trying to find minutes for Brown which there are some isn't going to effect the 7-7 record because if so we have the wrong coach on the bench.

Arbitrarily taking away minutes from players is the death of a team, especially in this situation.

If you are suggesting that Williams should sit in favor of Brown, 2 guys who have 2 completely different games, then in kind of shows me you are not really taking this thing either very seriously or have much understanding of team and player dynamics.

No I do very much so you may not

Remember how long it took the coach to give Williams a chance? Remember him admitting fault to this? Remember Amar'e commenting how Shawne Williams had been showing signs for a while in practice and staying in shape. Now to his credit Williams never chirped in the press about pt and for this, you have to respect his professionalism. Would have rather Brown not said a word as fans were taking notice.

Here's another example....

Pringles put Williams in as a starter against a Lakers front court as a Center(NOT HIS POSITION BY ANY STRETCH) to guard Andrew Bynum or Gasol(January 9th just in case you forgot) Turiaf and Mozgov were available for minutes here but played 7min and 4min respectively....then this same coach can find 10-15min a couple games for Brown in place of Turiaf/Wiliams/Effries to see how he may or may not change the look of the squad....

Now if you're retort is "how did that work out"? To that I say "not well"(most of us would've never started Williams that game AT CENTER)...we would have preferred Mozgov...... and coach would be indicted by such retort. It's not the same extreme here though.... putting Williams in at starting center, who hadn't played a whole lot up until that game, was just getting into the rotation previous month, against a contender vs giving Brown some(not all) of Williams/Effries minutes. If your next response is "Turiaf must not have been healthy" well he played 38min Jan 11th against the Blazers(we won).

Also do you recall what coach said after the Laker game....when we got thrashed on the boards? He said we'd see more of Mozgov soon. 21 days later after Williams gets a suspension(ATL game) Mozgov comes in off the bench in place of Turiaf against Detroit and gets 40min.... after not playing 1 single min since the Laker game.

Knick fans digest this for a bit.

It takes extremes in order for him to react to his personnel and all some of us are saying be a little more proactive, ahead of the fast ball, give players a chance..... in assessing what he has.

In terms of personnel where he could do this...

Billups/Jameer
Fields/J-Rich
Melo/Hedo
Brown/Bass
Amar'e/Howard

Brown would play the Brandon Bass role on Orlando(the system coach said last year during the playoffs is "THE BLUEPRINT" to winning). Brandon Bass is a safety valve next to D-12 double teams...the guy who gets feeds baseline or elbow(for jumpers) out of the post on double teams from(Amar'e/D-12). Receives feeds off dribble penetration from the 2-3(Melo/Fields-Hedo/J-Rich). As far as defense he's an automatic 6fouls. He's only playing 10-15min at best unless he showed he deserved more. Of course not to use all 6fouls to get teams in the penalty but he'd have the freedom to play as loose/aggressive on D as necessary.