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Amare's legs are shot right now, no explosion
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3/16/2011  11:13 AM
Sooner or later, we're going to have to get this coach thing right.
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3/16/2011  11:44 AM
I absolutely agree martin, i've notice a huge dip in Amare's energy ever since Dallas...

He is not exploading, and he is not giving any effort on D.

He has never been perfect on D.. But you can't tell me early in the year he was not trying... He was, he was blocking shots and doing his best... Now he just stands and stares on D along with Melo and even at times Billups.. our players look tired both physically and mentally... they need something to charge them up

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3/16/2011  1:52 PM
By Month	GP	MIN	FGM-FGA		FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
October 3 35.7 7.7-16.7 0.46 0.7-1.7 0.4 5.3-7.7 0.696 2.7 5 7.7 3 1.3 0 4.3 5.7 21.3
November 16 36.6 8.8-16.9 0.522 0.2-0.3 0.75 6.8-8.7 0.777 2.1 6.8 8.8 2.3 2.1 1.1 3.6 3.4 24.6
December 13 39.5 12.0-22.4 0.536 0.1-0.2 0.5 5.8-7.2 0.806 3 6.7 9.7 2.5 2.7 1.1 3.6 4.2 29.8
January 15 36.1 9.3-20.5 0.456 0.2-0.5 0.429 6.9-8.7 0.792 3.1 5.1 8.3 3.2 2 1.1 3.5 2.4 25.7
February 9 35.4 9.9-18.2 0.543 0.0-0.1 0 4.6-5.4 0.837 2 5.3 7.3 2.9 2.2 1 3.8 3.6 24.3
March 8 36.3 11.4-20.9 0.545 0.1-0.3 0.5 7.4-8.9 0.831 2 4 6 2 0.8 0.9 3.1 3.5 30.3
Pre All-Star 53 36.8 9.8-19.4 0.507 0.2-0.3 0.5 6.3-8.0 0.789 2.6 6 8.6 2.7 2.2 1 3.6 3.5 26.1
Post All-Star 11 37 10.8-20.1 0.538 0.1-0.3 0.333 6.3-7.5 0.831 2.2 4.5 6.7 2.4 1.1 1 3.5 3.4 28
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3/16/2011  1:53 PM
he's actually scoring more. Fewer boards, fewer blocks
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3/16/2011  1:56 PM
fishmike wrote:he's actually scoring more. Fewer boards, fewer blocks

those pre- and post- allstar numbers are telling.

Not sure how much is due to injury/fatigue or roster changes.

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3/16/2011  1:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2011  2:14 PM
If you look at most of Amare's dunks this season, he hasn't been very high off the ground. He has a long wingspan that lets him dunk without having to elevate that much. When he goes up against bigger defenders it shows. Stat (as some of you have already pointed out) is working harder to get his shot off. Felton didn't make it very easy on him, Douglas hasn't either and Billups is coming off an injury. The extra work is catching up with his body.

A decent big man in the paint would help take the pressure off. Wouldn't mind seeing Hibbert or Hansborough brought to NY.

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3/16/2011  2:20 PM
He was dunking with a lot more power earlier.

Again Amare is the unique player not Carmelo. We needed to make a trade that would benefit our asset by protecting it. We are so think up front and at the PF we are going to play him more and it could lead to an injury.

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3/16/2011  3:47 PM
GustavBahler wrote:If you look at most of Amare's dunks this season, he hasn't been very high off the ground. He has a long wingspan that lets him dunk without having to elevate that much. When he goes up against bigger defenders it shows. Stat (as some of you have already pointed out) is working harder to get his shot off. Felton didn't make it very easy on him, Douglas hasn't either and Billups is coming off an injury. The extra work is catching up with his body.

A decent big man in the paint would help take the pressure off. Wouldn't mind seeing Hibbert or Hansborough brought to NY.

David Lee needed a big man next to him reflecting on last year's season.

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3/16/2011  4:01 PM
I think it just makes sense that he's not as spry as he was at the beginning of the year. BB is rough on bigs and his usage rate is probably pretty high. He's going to progressively rely less on his athletic ability from now on. It's a natural process and KG has gone thru it already. He's mostly a jump shooter now. It would only concern me if he has to miss games. Then we would know he's having serious issues that can't be solved with rest. I remember earlier AMar'e said that he didn't feel Mike was burning him out. Remember too that he doesn't practice as much and even when he does it's not hard.
They save everything for the games which I think has been a good approach.
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3/16/2011  4:02 PM
Amare gave it his all earlier in the season...It was impossible for him to have maintained that pace through out the season...There is no way he could be playing at the same level in March that he played in November and December...The Knicks just finished a stretch of 7 games in 10 days...It's a long season with the playoffs around the corner...
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3/16/2011  4:21 PM
holfresh wrote:Amare gave it his all earlier in the season...It was impossible for him to have maintained that pace through out the season...There is no way he could be playing at the same level in March that he played in November and December...The Knicks just finished a stretch of 7 games in 10 days...It's a long season with the playoffs around the corner...
he did it last year. Best player in the 2nd half in the entire NBA.
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3/16/2011  8:06 PM
martin is right.. amare doesn't play hard right now
he plays very soft and finesse basketball
his scoring is ok but his defence and rebounding are very weak ..he doesn't get us hard aggresive rebounds/loose balls..and big guys score very easily against him

don't know if that is a permanent thing with amare or just a temporary episode

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3/16/2011  8:14 PM
nadavshomron wrote:martin is right.. amare doesn't play hard right now
he plays very soft and finesse basketball
his scoring is ok but his defence and rebounding are very weak ..he doesn't get us hard aggresive rebounds/loose balls..and big guys score very easily against him

don't know if that is a permanent thing with amare or just a temporary episode

That has been going on for Amare's entire career.

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3/17/2011  11:12 PM
Martin you need to Post more. Most people don't but you pay attentiOn to detail. Amares defense is so ****ty. Melo is pretty lazy. He likes to lay off his mAn. I haven't seen enough of his d. This team is good. Tons of PotentiAl. But mike d coaches no defense. I like him but he just isn't so good.
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3/17/2011  11:17 PM
Amare Is just a bad stuPid lazy defender hOnestly. He has ability but no focus instincts or dsiscipline. He needs a def coach
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3/17/2011  11:22 PM
martin wrote:Surprised this has not been mentioned more often, or perhaps it has during GameThreads and I missed.

Dude has zero lift. Doesn't really dunk the ball any more, and when taking the ball to the rim I don't see that aggressiveness that was there at the beginning of the year. layup after layup and jumpshot after jumpshot.

Hansbrough made Amare look like he was standing still all the time; he looked like Amare 5 years ago.

Amare's defense is for crap. He has no idea how to defend the PnR or how to box out or take a charge or how to rotate, and quite frankly, he gives little effort on defense in general.

Remember when it was a block party early in the season? Not that much any more. He gets blocks here and there but they are not the same variety.

Knicks have a ton of games in March and Amare's rebounding and block numbers are down, which are hustle and effort stats.

Everyone is noticing this, right? I am not sure why the beat writers have not called this out in their reports cause it's completely obvious. Started about 2 months ago and for the last month he has been wearing those thigh-high stockings. Could be the result of him getting knocked in the knees earlier in the year.

Agreed...he still has his jumper, but he can't bend down or dive or anything. We have melo to pick it up. May be time time rest him.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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3/18/2011  12:37 AM
saying that Amare is always like this is very unfair.

most of the year, contrary to popular belief Amare has been a pretty decent defender.. especially coming to help.

the last 4 or 5 games its a diff story, complete diff player.. he is not trying on D and is not focused.. something is going on

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3/18/2011  12:42 AM
Amare is currently averaging a league best 29.2ppg in the month of March. However... he's only averaging 6.4rpg and .9bpg, both his lowest all season. In mid-Feb (around when he sprained his knee) he started putting on all of this Patrick Ewing-like knee sleeves + knee pads. Now he's wearing the full leggings.

I hope it's just a bit of fatigue + him clearing out to make space for Carmelo, and NOT him showing any new permanent damage to his knees.

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3/18/2011  7:46 AM
glad that in a blow out win last night, MDA only had him play a team high 37 minutes, especially since we have a road game tonight.
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3/18/2011  8:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2011  8:53 AM
This is why the Knicks not targeting a capable offensive big when they had the chance was so puzzling --- Troy Murphy, Marcus Cousin or even an Earl Barron could've allowed us to rest Amar'e a little more down the stretch..All capable rebounder/scorers that could've survived on the court a lot longer than Jeffries for any given stretch w/o Amar'e...We lean on Amar'e so heavily and that's not gonna change with this Jeffries acquisition..We really needed a guy we could've played WITH Turiaf at the same time for stretches..Can't do that with Jeffries..No way.

I really have no idea why we never went after Troy Murphy a lot harder..Yeah we're not the Celtics or the Heat but this is NYC, Amar'e & Melo, a team finally going in the right direction and we could've offered him 30 mins and the starting C spot..He's not getting that in Boston, esp after they traded Perkins to get Krstic & Jeff Green (which came about a week before Murphy agreed to go to Boston )...I guess he just wants to win and Boston probably does have the best chance of winning in the EC, but man I tell ya, for a guy that's only 30 and trying to show the league that he's back and capable of still playing at a high level, I would've took either the Miami or NY gig instead, even if NY would've been a one and done year. You just never heard about us being involved at all---that's what I found so damn peculiar.

Marcus Cousin or Earl Barron we could've brought back for next year on a low salary..My only hope is that Cousin AND Jeff Adrien become available in the offseason..I'd jump all over each guy if I were the Knicks..As an admirer of each guy from afar, I'm glad to see each guy isn't really playing for either team they're on..Good..Makes me believe they're not in their plans..Looks like both guys were just brought up as placeholders and nothing more..Jeffries is gonzo at the end of the year -- if they bring him back, even on a vet minimum, and think they have their C for next year THEY'RE NUTS!!!! We need to do better..Jeffries and Turiaf CAN'T SCORE!! We'll always be playing 4 on 5 on offense---that's why STAT will continue to be leaned on so heavily..We need to bring in another big that can score the ball inside and it doesn't have to be a star or high-priced vet..A Cousin/Adrien combo on the cheap would be really nice additions in the offseason---the middle would be covered with Cousin's rebounding and scoring and Adrien would only further enhance the rebounding and hustle, plus he can score it a little inside himself. Both of these guys should've been in a Knicks uniform already but it's never too late. The price'll be right and it would go a long way as far as getting Amar'e some much need rest.

Amare's legs are shot right now, no explosion

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