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Knixkik
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3/16/2011  7:12 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Im convinced of it. Its terrible business. First off I think TD shouldve stayed the starter. We have many holes--all we need a is a PG who can play well and a suitable back up. I think we need the caps space to get bigs and vets to go around these guys. C Billups isnt part of the plan here --we need to replace some pieces that we will not be able to afford without letting Billups walk.

Just because a player has a bad couple of games back from injury doesn't mean anything. He is well worth picking up and re-evaluating as a FA in 2012. TD is not a starting PG. Billups is slightly past his prime, but still a leader and top NBA PG. You shouldn't react this way every time a player has a bad game, its not a good look. If he has a good game you will be all about him again. Just wait.

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3/16/2011  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2011  11:34 AM
Finestrg wrote:
Solace wrote:As I recall, we had the same problem in '01 when we traded for Mark Jackson. We gave up a speedy point guard for a very slow one that hits a high FG%. On paper, it looked like a great trade, but it killed the team due to the defensive woes.

I'm not saying Billups is necessarily in the same situation, but it was a concerning move that can go either way. So far, it looks like we're playing much better without Billups in the lineup, but it is early.

Do you forget the 2nd half he had in Cleveland? Or what he did against Miami?? And I'm not even talking about the other huge games he's had in his career and his wealth of experience..The dude was just out with a bad thigh bruise (some reports had it that it was his thigh and his knee)..Let the guy get his sea legs back here, it's only been two games (and he looked a lot better tonight than the first game against Indy at the Garden)..I imagine he's gonna have a big impact in the playoffs provided we don't squander it away down the stretch here..

I think we definitely bring him back for next year..Not interested in extending him past next year at this point like Alan Hahn suggested, but I'd pick up the option for next year..It would then force us to tinker smartly, something I think we need to do anyway. Summer of 2012 in when they need to spend big in FA, not this summer..To me this summer is all about bringing back Chauncey as a bridge to 2012, drafting an impact player 17-20, purchasing a 2nd rounder or 2, bringing in Jerome Jordan and finally adding quality role players on 1 year contracts to round out the roster..I might even see if I can lock up Landry Fields this offseason in the $4M dollar range rather than pay him $7M a season later -- this could be crucial -- $3M in cap savings could mean a world of difference when the summer of 2012 rolls around..There's a good chance, however, that Fields & his agent might refuse to negotiate a deal like that (he probably knows he can get Wes Matthews money eventually, I know that's how I'd feel right now if I were him)---this is why I feel they should consider targeting wing depth in this draft..Good chance that Shawne Williams & Billy Walker are gone and Fields could price himself right out of NY the following year.

To me this is a two year process from right now. Refusing to bring back Chauncey and instead putting all our eggs in DeAndre Jordan or Marc Gasol's basket does not equal championship in my book..In fact I'd argue that it prevents us from getting there..Patience, good scouting, cap management and a willingness to plug in low salary players (guys than can actually play and fill needs) is what's needed this offseason if you ask me. We've come this far---it would be a shame to screw this up now. The last thing anyone who's watched this team as long as I have should wanna see is for us to box ourselves into a 50-52 win team with no real shot at a chip..I don't wanna be the Atlanta Hawks, I wanna eventually field a LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIP team..There's clearly a difference..I gotta believe they understand this. I just hope & pray they bring Donnie back and let him finish the job..That's also gonna be key..

Well, my point was more that trading a younger and faster PG for an older one who is on the decline is not smart business. I think Billups can be effective and we probably do bring him back next year, unless we're completely giving up on the 2012 offseason and going in a different direction.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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3/16/2011  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2011  11:36 AM
Finestrg wrote:I don't wanna be the Atlanta Hawks, I wanna eventually field a LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIP team..There's clearly a difference..I gotta believe they understand this. I just hope & pray they bring Donnie back and let him finish the job..That's also gonna be key..

Yes, but, the individual(s) in power don't share the same priorities that we do. And I'm way more than 49% sure of that.

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3/16/2011  11:43 AM
K22 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:I don't wanna be the Atlanta Hawks, I wanna eventually field a LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIP team..There's clearly a difference..I gotta believe they understand this. I just hope & pray they bring Donnie back and let him finish the job..That's also gonna be key..

Yes, but, the individual(s) in power don't share the same priorities that we do. And I'm way more than 49% sure of that.

No way Donnie Walsh did this job--hes gone. he's probably highly disgruntled and just being a soldier and respectful to a company that is paying him a lot of money. But money does not rule everyone and Im sure when his contract is up no $ amount will bring him back here--hes done.

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3/16/2011  12:04 PM
Billups has a few great games and all we read is ... "Billups is Mr. Big Shot. He's our captain. So smart. Such a great leader. So clutch. The perfect mentor to TD. Huge upgrade over RayRay. The secret weapon in the trade."

Billups has a couple of terrible games coming off of injury, and now it's, "He stinks. Not worth his contract. Toast."

Let's be realistic about what he brings and not base it off a tiny sample size. On the plus side: He's very smart, savvy, experienced, etc. Has as much of these qualities as any pg in the league. He's a solid defender given his limited athleticisim. He's a good guy who will help our youts. He's a great shooter.

On the negative side: He never was terribly athletic, and has lost a step. He can't push the ball. He's old for a pg, so will be more injury prone and slower to recover. He probably doesn't really want to be in NY, although he'd probably rather be here than all but a handful of other places.

What does this all add up to? Though flawed, he's probably about our best realistic option at PG for next year. He probably isn't worth $14M. Do you overpay him for a year? Depends if you want to go all in for a chance at a 3rd superstar -- CP3, Deron or Howard -- and like that $14M coming off the books after next year. And that depends on where the collective bargaining agreement goes and substance of the "off the record" discussions that I've got to assume will take place with these guys or their agents.

And let's also be realistic about Toney Douglas. He is not the answer as our starting PG. He is not Derek Fisher -- a guy with a limited game but who can get the ball to the scorers and let them do their thing. To the contrary, his main flaw is that he too often fails to get the ball where it should be and therefore playing him too many minutes amounts to wasting your investment in Carmello and Stat.

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3/16/2011  12:08 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
K22 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:I don't wanna be the Atlanta Hawks, I wanna eventually field a LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIP team..There's clearly a difference..I gotta believe they understand this. I just hope & pray they bring Donnie back and let him finish the job..That's also gonna be key..

Yes, but, the individual(s) in power don't share the same priorities that we do. And I'm way more than 49% sure of that.

No way Donnie Walsh did this job--hes gone. he's probably highly disgruntled and just being a soldier and respectful to a company that is paying him a lot of money. But money does not rule everyone and Im sure when his contract is up no $ amount will bring him back here--hes done.

Walsh understands the game and the challenges. If it were only about basketball he would be in college. The NBA is still a business and there are caveats

This trade was out of everyone's control. The Knicks were in a terrible position, not one of strength. If you want to blame someone blame Melo. He was getting his money from the Nets or Knicks. The Knicks couldnt afford to lose this guy to the Nets, so as always they overpaid.

Walsh is a big boy. He understands the business side. He understands that its not always about just basketball and he understands the issues and pressures and challenges in the running the Knicks.

Maybe he does walk. Maybe he gets an extension and keeps working.

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3/16/2011  12:54 PM
TMS wrote:
Clean wrote:What a perfect way to lose. Knicks not able to get any stops at all.

good thing we signed Dynastic Fish Vessel to shore up our D

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3/16/2011  3:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Im convinced of it. Its terrible business. First off I think TD shouldve stayed the starter. We have many holes--all we need a is a PG who can play well and a suitable back up. I think we need the caps space to get bigs and vets to go around these guys. C Billups isnt part of the plan here --we need to replace some pieces that we will not be able to afford without letting Billups walk.

Picking up Billups option is the ONLY trade chip we have....he is our best chance to trade for a legit starting center...i would trade him for Okafor

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3/16/2011  7:08 PM
They say hindsight is 20-20 but looking back perhaps TD should have started the Indy home and home series and let Billups rest Chauncey looks a bit rushed to come back I don't see this stretch being very telling Might have considered bringing in at the 2 first game back It is not like there is any controversy there with who full time starts...the last perhaps 5 games should be the one tells us what we got.

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No way they pick up Billups contract

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