Juice wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Juice wrote:

CashMoney wrote:6-2 with quality wins against Boston and Atlanta. The rest of their schedule since the trade has been soft to say the least. Come playoff time when they have no star to lean on we'll see who got the better of the trade.

They played 6gms against teams with winning records we've played 7

Our Schedule has been just as soft 2 against the Cavs and a game against the Pacers and Bucks....ironically we lost 3 of these games

Denver runs a more traditional system than the Knicks. It doesn't take much for a player to play normal ball in Denver. Gallo is starting with both Felton and Will coming off the bench. One thing that very few are taking into consideration is that Ty Lawson is still running the show. He has to learn the tendancies of 3 new players as opposed to Chauncey who pretty much got a new team of players overnight. Let's see how they do against Miami and Orlando.

Gallo has missed like 70% of their games already. Chandler is starting in his place they are 5-1 did you not catch this? Yes that's how they will be playing and once again the trade gave them the ability to run all kinds of styles, meanwhile limiting us.

You're making an excuse comparing back near rookie to a seasoned Finals MVP veteran having to learn the ropes again? GET REAL I mean what was our record while Douglas was in for Billups?

One of the most pathetic excuses yet

Sorry I follow the Knicks not the Nuggets. SO Gallo hasn't played much and Wilson has stepped in. Wow, this trade must have really messed up their team chemistry huh? Playing PG is playing PG. The only player that Chauncey has played with before thay gets run is Melo. Oh yeah, Billups also missed 5 games and he was rusty as hell last night and still playing banged up. TD had a horrible game as well.

Miami started 3-8 and the Knicks are at 6-5. I'm not happy about the losses to the Cavs or the Pacers last night but these game are goint to happen. Check the rest of the Knicks schedule and you'll see it's favorable. Why don't we wait until the end of the season before all the doom and gloom?

CashMoney wrote:

Juice wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Juice wrote:

CashMoney wrote:6-2 with quality wins against Boston and Atlanta. The rest of their schedule since the trade has been soft to say the least. Come playoff time when they have no star to lean on we'll see who got the better of the trade.

They played 6gms against teams with winning records we've played 7

Our Schedule has been just as soft 2 against the Cavs and a game against the Pacers and Bucks....ironically we lost 3 of these games

Denver runs a more traditional system than the Knicks. It doesn't take much for a player to play normal ball in Denver. Gallo is starting with both Felton and Will coming off the bench. One thing that very few are taking into consideration is that Ty Lawson is still running the show. He has to learn the tendancies of 3 new players as opposed to Chauncey who pretty much got a new team of players overnight. Let's see how they do against Miami and Orlando.

Gallo has missed like 70% of their games already. Chandler is starting in his place they are 5-1 did you not catch this? Yes that's how they will be playing and once again the trade gave them the ability to run all kinds of styles, meanwhile limiting us.

You're making an excuse comparing back near rookie to a seasoned Finals MVP veteran having to learn the ropes again? GET REAL I mean what was our record while Douglas was in for Billups?

One of the most pathetic excuses yet

Sorry I follow the Knicks not the Nuggets. SO Gallo hasn't played much and Wilson has stepped in. Wow, this trade must have really messed up their team chemistry huh? Playing PG is playing PG. The only player that Chauncey has played with before thay gets run is Melo. Oh yeah, Billups also missed 5 games and he was rusty as hell last night and still playing banged up. TD had a horrible game as well.

Miami started 3-8 and the Knicks are at 6-5. I'm not happy about the losses to the Cavs or the Pacers last night but these game are goint to happen. Check the rest of the Knicks schedule and you'll see it's favorable. Why don't we wait until the end of the season before all the doom and gloom?

Billups hasn't looked like he's unfamiliar with the players but moreso his awareness in our defense, when to take quality shots, and finding rhythm with his offense. He was a little sloppy last night but learning player tendencies isn't the issue, it's invented by you.

mreinman wrote:You blame the trade and now give MDA a pass since "he does not have the players" ...

Wasn't MDA one of the biggest proponent of this trade? Was he not pushing for it? Does that mean he is a weak judge of his own personnel? That is not a good sign for MDA!

Let's anty up the illogical reasoning and say if D'AnToni isn't responsible for managing and getting the most out of his players and it's on them to motivate themselves covering basic principles in the game then who is responsible for bringing these players here?

Okay D'AnToni you're off the hook fans want to absolve you from blame for now

Players you're on limbo hook not quite sure if you're fully on or off...

that leaves the

GM Donnie Walsh right...he put this together right? Oh wait can't blame him either gotta push this off on Dolan that is until we get to the playoffs and fans can see the end results then they'll appropriately place credit and blame according to their liking

Oh what a vicious cycle this is

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

Are they good enough to fetch a superstar? How about a superstar and a former all-star? If they are then they must be pretty good.

Juice wrote:

mreinman wrote:You blame the trade and now give MDA a pass since "he does not have the players" ...

Wasn't MDA one of the biggest proponent of this trade? Was he not pushing for it? Does that mean he is a weak judge of his own personnel? That is not a good sign for MDA!

Let's anty up the illogical reasoning and say if D'AnToni isn't responsible for managing and getting the most out of his players and it's on them to motivate themselves covering basic principles in the game then who is responsible for bringing these players here?

Okay D'AnToni you're off the hook fans want to absolve you from blame for now

Players you're on limbo hook not quite sure if you're fully on or off...

that leaves the

GM Donnie Walsh right...he put this together right? Oh wait can't blame him either gotta push this off on Dolan that is until we get to the playoffs and fans can see the end results then they'll appropriately place credit and blame according to their liking

Oh what a vicious cycle this is

Thank heaven that we can blame Isiah for another 3-4 years. Can't blame everyone else.

Tthe guys we gave up just weren't getting it done HERE. What were we, 23-21 or so? And it's not clear they're big contributors to the success over there either.

All that said though, for all his inexperience, Ujiri played the hell out of the Knicks front office. Whether it was from us or the Nets, he extracted maximum value for a player determined to get out, to come here, and headed for FA. Hats off to the wily rookie GM.

I'm not unhappy with the goods we bought per se, but we sure paid top dollar. We emptied our wallet and still owe them picks. If this was really all Donnie, it's a feather out of his cap. He buckled.

NYKBocker wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

Are they good enough to fetch a superstar? How about a superstar and a former all-star? If they are then they must be pretty good.

that's completely ignoring the circumstances under which that deal was made do u really think we get Melo & Billups in any trade for our guys if he didn't make it known he wanted to come play for the Knicks & forced his way out of Denver? our guys were good young players but let's get real there wasn't a star player among them & we got back 2... if any of those 5 guys we gave up end up to be star players themselves we can revisit this topic but now is not the time to be throwing dirt on that trade.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

which isnt really holding up water right now as Denver lost their 2 leading scorers for our role players and seem to have gotten better because
1) they are bigger
2) they are younger
3) they are deeper
4) they are more coachable

I REALLY hope this turns around, but everything you fear about a trade like this is coming true.

But are they a better postseason team than us?

NO. You want to know why?

Because they lack stars.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

which isnt really holding up water right now as Denver lost their 2 leading scorers for our role players and seem to have gotten better because
1) they are bigger
2) they are younger
3) they are deeper
4) they are more coachable

I REALLY hope this turns around, but everything you fear about a trade like this is coming true.

But are they a better postseason team than us?

NO. You want to know why?

Because they lack stars.

How many playoff series has Melo won?

Our team has big issues dude... I hope your right and our stars win some playoff series

Zach Randolph 20pts 13rbs
Amare 26pts 8rbs

So who is the better player. Memphis is 36-31 the Knicks are 34-31

Why can't everyone look at what Denver is doing and ask the simple question. Was it really Carmelo that was driving this team all these years. Or did Nene, Affalo, Lawson, Smith, Birdman, etc have more a part in winning then Melo.

So far Melo has proven to be a sub par defender that commits one game and fades the next. We are a ****ing disgrace on defense. We gave up 144 to the Bucks (91.2), 119/115 to the Cavs (95) and 106 Pacers (99). We were a top 3 team offensively. Why did we need Melo? Where does he make us better?

So now we are capped out for the rest of tim with two guys that don't play defense and take up 46 million in the cap

MS wrote:What really makes someone a star player. We had David Lee and Zach Randolph.

Zach Randolph 20pts 13rbs
Amare 26pts 8rbs

So who is the better player. Memphis is 36-31 the Knicks are 34-31

Why can't everyone look at what Denver is doing and ask the simple question. Was it really Carmelo that was driving this team all these years. Or did Nene, Affalo, Lawson, Smith, Birdman, etc have more a part in winning then Melo.

So far Melo has proven to be a sub par defender that commits one game and fades the next. We are a ****ing disgrace on defense. We gave up 144 to the Bucks (91.2), 119/115 to the Cavs (95) and 106 Pacers (99). We were a top 3 team offensively. Why did we need Melo? Where does he make us better?

So now we are capped out for the rest of tim with two guys that don't play defense and take up 46 million in the cap

Wow, I don't think I could have written it any better than that.