Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't think we need a point guard to take us to the next level next season. We will still have Billups and Douglas. What we need is a big man to take over the center spot who can rebound and defend and block those pesky little point guards driving in on us every few minuets like what Cleveland did. We need a big 7 footer.

The answer is there really aren't any guys out there who can get that guarantee us a trip to the conference finals. Our cap situation will hinder us from getting that type of guy next season. Mehmet would be the ideal fit for us if he's healthy and we might be able to get him for below market value. But he is a huge question mark. We could go for a guy like Sean Williams, but that doesn't really guarantee us anything. This Lithuanian cat Jonas Valanciunas has been getting decent marks for this year's draft, and I think he would make us forget about Timo. But it looks like he's still years away.
We're probably going to have to take a piecemeal approach to our center position next year.

technomaster wrote:Without considering contracts, I like the idea of bringing in Dalembert. His career MPG (~26mpg) are just about what we're looking for out of our center position. Let's figure that D'Antoni's coaching style and Amare's makeup really dictate him getting some minutes at the 5 spot, taking away from any center's ability to get true starter minutes on the Knicks.

I'd be wary of relying on big minutes for a young player/rookie/former headcase if we're looking for a final piece.

We'll get a much better gauge after the playoffs for what we need to truly compete at the NBA elite level.

Dalembart is a good choice to and probably cheaper. I guess the theory here is I think we can do a lot more for our team that paying Billuops

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I would pursue the following this summer:

1A) Anderson Varejao - almost forgot about him - he's perfect would love to grab him.

1B) Deandre Jordan - sure the Clippers say they want him, but when have they ever paid their guys to stay? Turiaf's deal + pick 19 at the draft?

b) Chris Kaman - if LAC is keeping Jordan, they might move Kaman for cheap. Kaman for sure isn't a trendy pick at center, but he is servicable, rebounds and defends and is a veteran that fits in with the rest of the roster. We'd have to swing a trade, but he could be really good here.

c) Andris Biedrins - GSW seems disenchanted with this guy, but he can run the floor, rebound and block shots. i've not seen him play much recently, but i remember him being very good a few years back.

d) Memhet Okur - not sure how/if it would be possible, but if Utah is rebuilding, maybe we can chase Memhet. a good defender and rebounder and has the outside touch which MDA loves.

e) Marc Gasol - possible we could work a sign and trade with cash-strapped Memphis. i'm betting memphis keeps him though.

f) Kenneth Faried - if this guy is available at pick 18-20, i think he could be great, tenacious rebounder, a little small.

g) Mozgov - if Denver is willing to deal with him, it might be worth investigating.

h) Jerome Jordan - this kid could be better than Mozgov - a lot of us coveted him at the draft - look forward to seeing him in Summer League.

i)Sean Williams - I've always liked this kid, might be worth giving him a shot. I would sign him to a 10-day contract right now.

j) Sign Chris Hunter to a 10-day contract right now. I believe he's available, and he's pretty decent.

Excellent list. I think Donnie will get one of the top guys and then fill in behind him with one of the lower guys on your list. I love what Deandre Jordan can be. I'd actually see just how committed the Clips are to resigning him. Verajao is also a good target. Gasol has the offensive game, but I think the other guys are stronger on the boards and defense. In any event i'd spend to fill that spot cuz I think it's the main thing keeping us from contending. Imagine how good we'd be right now with one of these guys?

I'm not really in favor of Stat doing more than 10-15 minutes in situations at the 5. Too much rides on the man to subject him to a steady beating. He is what we need to protect. Center has to be smart enough to not clog the middle on offense, be able to run, rebound, and protect the rim. whether taking a charge or blocking a shot.

One of Jordan/Mozgov/Kaman/Gasol/Okur would be my choices

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:Serge Ibaka on OKC...Now that Perkins is there he should be available and at 1.2 mil per, will be great for us...Young athletic, can rebound and block shots...A lot better option than Mozgov...

They plan on keeping Serge and moving him to his more natural position at power forward.

Didn't know that...PF is a highly skilled position in today's NBA...Don't really see him there but they also have no depth at PF..

holfresh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:Serge Ibaka on OKC...Now that Perkins is there he should be available and at 1.2 mil per, will be great for us...Young athletic, can rebound and block shots...A lot better option than Mozgov...

They plan on keeping Serge and moving him to his more natural position at power forward.

Didn't know that...PF is a highly skilled position in today's NBA...Don't really see him there but they also have no depth at PF..

Dwight Howard
Duncan
Deandre Jordan
Matt Gasol
Kaman

but I think we have to lose Fields if we go this route.
How do these 2nd round picks work? Can we extend him a qualifying offer or something?

I would be happy to add

Chandler
Deandre Jordan

make a good draft pick, maybe Ben Hansbrough, Brigg's pick. or even a big.
we can then resign Fields right? we still own his bird rights? I don't understand why he only has a 2 year contract?

I think these big guys will make TD game shine, he has a big to back him up especially when he cheats.
These guys can intimidate. If we went with a BIG for the draft pick, i dont mind signing a min veteran deal.

And if we cut Billups,& sign the ^^ bigs i hope we can save enough cap room to add a player like

Barnes
Shannon Brown (can he play the 1 n 3? is his game similar to J.R.Smith but better D?)
Shawne Williams

That 7' center is not on the market. That 7' center is in middle school. That center is NOT in the DLeague.

That 7' center is a myth. A fantasy league wet dream. A conversation piece only.

That 7' center is at least two years away. That center is our imaginary friend. Signing that 7' center is much, much harder than it sounds.

That 7' center is a freshman in college. That center played for us in 1999 and rode the bench with Spree.

Unlike Carmelo, who stated his desire to play in New York, there is no 7' center using his leverage to come to The Garden. That 7' center is happy where he is.

No, the Knicks do not have the assets to acquire a 7' center. But it could happen.

Donnie and his scouts simply need to repeat their Landry Fields magic and have lightning strike twice in the same place in the second round of the draft.

babyKnicks wrote:Sign and trade billups and another ex knick for nene. He's the big body we are going to throw at Bynum and Dwight Howard.

Bynum and Howard kill Nene. The worry with nene is those knees and he needs the ball. I think th Aamre Nene thing would cause problems. I think you want a C who i complimentary with Amare and can do his thing whiole staying out of his way.

Kaman/Jordan
Blake
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Gordon
Mo Williams/Bledsoe

I also think they are intending to keep Mo Williams. If anything I think they will let Kaman loose, however, having 2 good big men is very helpful in this league, but LA is quite cheap and done some crazy stuff over the years.

I think we would have to overpay by more if we want to keep him. Most serviceable big men start at 10m per year, Jordan has shown he can be special, but he is still raw, its very interesting. At that rate, I don't think we would be overpaying by much, if we are, it would be the market rate for centers for his production at 55m.
I think it would have to start at 10-12m at least, with the 15% increase for the Clippers not to possibly not to match.
If Turiaf opts out, and we throw close to our max cap room with the 15% increase, they might not match.
I think they feel confident they found the ALL STAR they have been looking for in Blake. Sterling is ready to reach for his pockets this time and sick of people saying he is cheap.

I think Chandler would fit it better, was he also on team USA? Sure he is pretty much reached his ceiling already, but he understands his role better. Problem is he is also known to have injuries through his career.

I believe Chandler, Jordan, Perkins, Duncan, Dwight are they type of centers, that we actually need.
Some people don't want to cut Billups and let him finish mentoring our team, and saving cap room for 2012. I would be happy if we could get either one of these players.
Gasol last year, looked like he would be the exact type of big man that we needed, however, he took a huge step back this year.
We would have to cut Billups within 5 days from us being out of playoffs. They also feel we would be taking a huge risk because we have no clue would these centers join us or not.
My point is, the FA list in 2012 is very appealing, however, the big men look highly unlikely to want to join us, only the PG's I can see, mainly CP3.
I don't feel it is worth the risk to go to 2012, if we don't add a big man that year. Adding a PG would leave a hole for us at center, cause we can't fill out this year, cause we have to keep cap space. Most importantly we most likely would lose Fields going that route.
My opinion, the only players worth the wait would be

Howard *says he wants to play career in Orlando, but if he loses twice within the first 2 rounds, I can see him changing his made, unless he signs extention early, fearing summer CBA
Duncan *looks like he wants to be SA for life*
Jordan * we can try to get him this year, next year if things go smoothly, they would be contenders in the West, Sterling could then choose between Kaman and him*
Gasol * we can try to get him this year as well, however, he doesn't look as great as he did his rookie year*

Kaman isn't worth the wait to me

Deron
Cp3 these are both great PG's however, we would still need a C, leaving us with a hole we have to fill and still lose fields. Would be missing a Center and 6th man wing.
If a team decides to match our offer on a restricted FA, how long does it take b4 we can make another offer?

Mo Williams is another PG that would be able to stretch the floor, if we really don't feel confident in TD.
The last contract he signed wasn't too bad, but he probably took a pay cut to play with Lebron.
I don't know what he would cost now. I feel we can roll with TD and a min or near min deal player though.
The thing about TD is I don't think he can throw alley hoops well enough, however, he can shoot 3s and play defense.
I think he would do fine with a center to help him out.

a little starphuking

how would u guys feel about

Yao Ming 7m
Dalembert 5-7m
if enough room
Barnes 2m

Mo Williams 7-8m
Dalembert 5-7m

Kris Humphries 4-6m
Joel Prizbilla 4-5m
Shannon Brown rest of cap

Kris Humphries or Dalembert or Prizbilla at 4-7m
Pietrus 4-6m

if possible signing 3 of such players from ^^...

and signing min deals for back up PG
or the wing type player