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People seriously wanna break bank to sign Marc Gasol?
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umynot
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3/9/2011  11:50 PM
TMS wrote:i didn't say he sucked. i said he's not worth the big contract it would take to get him. if he's signing for Turiaf money then hell yes you'd be a fool not to want him, but he's gonna command a lot more.

as for Kevin Love i think he'd be a nice fit but he's not a great defender of the paint... for our needs i think we need a shotblocking intimidator that can pull down the boards as well... we don't need a 3 pt shooting C.

I disagree

Stat is top 5 in block Shots in NBA

And improving..... Had some pretty HUGE BLOCKS THIS YEAR ( See Miami game )

Love would get every rebound which is a dire need...... And he is not a 3 point shooting C

He is a guy who loves to mix it up in paint....... Ohhh and he can hit 3's as well


I totally agree bout Gasol BTW...... He rebounds less then Melo and will demand too much for our plans.

If he came cheap still doesn't fill need IMO but would of course scoop him up as an asset

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3/9/2011  11:54 PM
Gasol does look very slow. He wouldn't work here because he would take space on the block away from Melo and Stat.

I think Turf is a great center for the knicks, we just need to find another guy like him to fill in for the other 24 mins.


I think the Cavs center Varamhatever would be a very good fit.


I also think Bird would be a very good cheap fit.

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3/9/2011  11:59 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
umynot wrote:He is not set to receive max Money for few years so if we could pry him away now we
could sign him with his Bird rights.

What on earth are the Knicks offering Minnesota to get Love back in a trade?

And then you're ALSO signing another max free agent?

Dude, understanding the salary cap is a good thing.

I never said we could get Love

Just said he would be Perfect fit.


And My dude dont even try and play me with numbers I would twist your brain inside out!

Love will make 5 mil next year ....... CP3 13

Chauncey Balkman and TD make that knida money combined next year

So its more then possible if everything aligned that we could fit Both players under cap

Not to mention we have no Clue what cap would be yet..... When doing trades though it wouldnt
matter if contracts matched if we stayed under cap.

We were over cap for 20 years and last ten we averaged 40 to 50 million over cap every year
till Walsh got here.


So take your own advice and try understanding how cap works better!

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3/10/2011  12:06 AM
some rumors i been hearing around the 'net have the cap going up several million dollars if a hard cap is put into effect... sort of a throw the owners a bone type deal where the players pushing to enable more teams the cap flexibility to sign more players this summer but might have to sacrifice in the max level of their contracts to help owners control their payrolls better going forward... not sure how much validity any of that has or even if it's feasible but sounds like it stands to reason it will be 1 of the points of discussion this summer while they hammer out a new CBA.
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3/10/2011  12:15 AM
umynot wrote:Love will make 5 mil next year ....... CP3 13

If you want to pretend the Knicks can trade for both Love and Paul with pieces currently on their roster before the 2011-2012 trade deadline, be all means, have at it.

I assumed you were talking pragmatically, not just expressing a fantasy. My bad.

So its more then possible if everything aligned that we could fit Both players under cap

You, you are correct. If David Kahn and the NBA (who run the Hornets) both decide to gift the Knicks Love and Paul before next season's deadline, the Knicks indeed could fit both under the cap.

I was just assuming, given the Knicks have few trade assets, that you meant trade for Love and sign Paul as a FA, would indeed would be impossible considering Love's cap hold in summer 2012 is $13.8m.

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3/10/2011  12:26 AM
TMS wrote:I dunno what the fascination is with this guy on this forum he's a horrible fit for a SSOL system he's a plodding halfcourt C if ever there was one & his defensive & rebounding skills aren't good enough for what this team is lacking right now... people wanna make a case for Deandre Jordan, Sam Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins or guys like that fine I can see the logic there, but if this team spends any money this summer i hope it's not on this guy.

good to see you back dude

But lets be honest, Mosgov was similar to Gasol, and MDA would use him as a face up pick and roll jump shooter on offense..To think he would play the same way in a MDA system is being a bit niaive..

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3/10/2011  12:27 AM
Knickoftime wrote:
umynot wrote:Love will make 5 mil next year ....... CP3 13

If you want to pretend the Knicks can trade for both Love and Paul with pieces currently on their roster before the 2011-2012 trade deadline, be all means, have at it.

I assumed you were talking pragmatically, not just expressing a fantasy. My bad.

So its more then possible if everything aligned that we could fit Both players under cap

You, you are correct. If David Kahn and the NBA (who run the Hornets) both decide to gift the Knicks Love and Paul before next season's deadline, the Knicks indeed could fit both under the cap.

I was just assuming, given the Knicks have few trade assets, that you meant trade for Love and sign Paul as a FA, would indeed would be impossible considering Love's cap hold in summer 2012 is $13.8m.

Those 2 teams could very well be contracted next year....... Just sayin

Again all just talk

I seen Pual Gasol traded for Kwame Brown so Im willing to Believe anything is possible

As far as CP3 is concerned though I'm going off rumors he wants to be here and as we saw with
Melo all it takes is wanting to come.

Love is on a Losing team and could collect a lot of pieces for them.

They have AR on the cheap and might want to flip Love ( Very doubtful but Love ain't staying past current deal IMO so y not)

Billups 14 million coming off the books is a HUGE value next year and I really believe Denver would send good pieces
to bring him back..... Denver has some nice assets ;)

Again dreaming but thats what blogging is...... Us talking dreams!

Like getting Amare Melo and Billups used to be a dream!!

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3/10/2011  12:49 AM
umynot wrote:Those 2 teams could very well be contracted next year....... Just sayin

Which would just subject those players to a contraction draft, putting them out of reach of the Knicks.

I seen Pual Gasol traded for Kwame Brown so Im willing to Believe anything is possible

I've never going to counter the "anything and everything is possible" gambit, because it's the ultimate trump move.

Again dreaming but thats what blogging is...... Us talking dreams!

Cool. Fair enough.

So NY, New Orleans and Minnesota each just have 15 man rosters. There are a very limited number of possibilities.

Keep dreaming for me and dream up two trade proposals that gets this done...

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3/10/2011  12:56 AM
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TMS wrote:I dunno what the fascination is with this guy on this forum he's a horrible fit for a SSOL system he's a plodding halfcourt C if ever there was one & his defensive & rebounding skills aren't good enough for what this team is lacking right now... people wanna make a case for Deandre Jordan, Sam Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins or guys like that fine I can see the logic there, but if this team spends any money this summer i hope it's not on this guy.

good to see you back dude

But lets be honest, Mosgov was similar to Gasol, and MDA would use him as a face up pick and roll jump shooter on offense..To think he would play the same way in a MDA system is being a bit niaive..

Mozgov isn't nearly as skilled a player as Gasol is, his strength was in his athleticism & ability to run the floor for a bigman, i don't see any similarities in Timo & Gasol's games, not even sure where you're drawing that from or what exactly i'm being naive about... imo Mozov is a lot more similar to Chris Kaman his rookie season in the way he plays than he is to Marc Gasol... dunno if Mozgov will ever be as good a player as either of these guys but in terms of how i think MDA would use Gasol i don't see him using him the same way he tried to use Timo w/the alley oop lobs from Felton or easy buckets in transition offense... Gasol needs to set up in the post & have a play run for him to be effective... Mozgov is more a player that can play off the ball & just get buckets off his hustle & putbacks, he didn't have the developed skillset to have the offense run through him at all.

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3/10/2011  7:12 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
TMS wrote:
umynot wrote:
TMS wrote:
simrud wrote:We just need a competent big body to hold their ground in the post and grab rebounds with a block here or there. Gasol is enough. How many centers are better than him out there? He is def top 10 at the position.

i can think of way more than 10 NBA C's i'd rather have than Marc Gasol:

Dwight
Horford
Bogut
Noah
Bynum
Perkins
Okafor
Camby
Jefferson
Chandler
Jordan
Nene
Cousins
Dalembert
Hibbert
Varejao
Kaman
Bargnani

Best C for this team would be Kevin Love....... Just sayin

if u want to include PF's i can come up with a much longer list of guys i'd rather play out of position at C than signing Gasol to a longterm deal... hell give me Reggie Evans off the bench at low dollars over Gasol on a big contract, he'd probably grab you more rebounds & play better defense at that.

Okafor would actually be perfect for this team..he blocks shots, rebounds, boxes out, big body who takes up space..and really doesn't need touches but can still score.

The only thing I don't like about Okafor is his contract. But I do agree that he'd make the Knicks better.

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3/10/2011  7:49 AM
Our most realistic option that can improve us is Dalembert. But i would love to get Varejao on this team, and i think he is a perfect fit.
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3/10/2011  7:55 AM
The Knicks will pick up Billups contract for next year. The most realistic option for the Knicks to find a big man is the draft.
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3/10/2011  8:05 AM
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will pick up Billups contract for next year. The most realistic option for the Knicks to find a big man is the draft.

i agree w/that tho we don't know what the final cap figure will be... we'll probably have more than enough to sign a minor role player someone like Jeff Foster or Etan Thomas on a 1 year deal to add some depth, the draft pick will be another avenue to bring in another big... whoever it is i hope it's someone that's able to defend the paint & pull down some boards... if we end up with MLE flexibility then i think DW might be looking at a Joel Pryzbilla type

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3/10/2011  8:22 AM
What this team needs is a guy that is big enough to guard centers, but fast enough to get out on the break, and who can hit an open 15 footer. Honestly, in my mind, Earl Barron was a perfect center for our system. His only flaw is that he was only an average defender, and we really need a beast. If Jeffries could actually make a layup, he too would be perfect for us. I like Marc Gasol, but I agree, that he is not going to help us. I would save our money for Williams, CP3, or Howard.
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3/10/2011  9:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/10/2011  11:44 AM
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will pick up Billups contract for next year. The most realistic option for the Knicks to find a big man is the draft.

Not necessarily bro..I think we can find a very capable option for the center spot if we're open to all possibilities this summer, not just the draft..I wouldn't mind it AT ALL if we brought in a current DL guy like Marcus Cousin, Chris Johnson or even Courtney Sims, in that order, for training camp..I think all 3 are very capable for what we'd need and the price would be right up our alley..Once Chauncey's option is picked up we should be right around the cap, either over or under slightly..First off, I don't think we'll have the cap room to take on a second 1st round pick..A high 2 is what I'm interested in..And if over the cap, we can only exceed the cap with the mid or LL exceptions and as many minimum salary contracts as it takes to fill out the roster..I don't think we need a star or a big-time salary player at the C position..Just gimmie a guy that's big enough and capable of giving a workman-like performance every night -- dirty work, specifically rebounding, and it'd be nice if the guy wouldn't completely embarrass himself on the offensive end of the floor (the guy doesn't have to be an offensive juggernaut, not by any stretch, gimmie a guy that can make a layup, convert an offensive putback or stick a 12-15 footer). Guys that fit the bill will be available to us, we'll just need to keep our eyes open, act quickly and not sit on our hands...Johnson was called up by Boston (not sure how he's doing--I haven't looked at a Celtic boxscore in awhile) and Marcus Cousin just got called up by the Utah Jazz..Cousin is the guy I wanted BAD..EXCELLENT move by the Jazz. Gonna have to tune into every Jazz game now to see how he progresses..If Ty Corbin decides to actually play him, I think he's gonna be a very nice addition to that club and a good complement to Al Jefferson (hopefully he doesn't show them too much to the point where they think about bringing him back next year)..We'll have to see..Even though 2 out of the 3 got the callup, it doesn't mean they won't be available this coming offseason..Cousin, in particular, I'd look to jump all over this offseason if he's out there---it'd be like adding a 1st round pick, only a guy with experience (4 yrs at U of Houston, 1 in Europe, and this year in the NBDL playing at an all-star level)..Cousin's light years a better prospect/player than Mozgov, it's not even close..We wiffed on Mozgov imho..No big deal because he's off the books now (I actually may have been the only one WHO WANTED the Nuggets to take Mozgov off our hands in the Melo trade..Glad they did)...And I agree with some that you don't throw a ton of money at a Marc Gasol..Decent player, but not for the type of money that he winds up getting..I kinda feel the same way about DeAndre Jordan actually and I like Jordan better than Gasol...We need to be more responsible when it comes to plugging this hole in the middle if we expect to keep the most cap room possible open for the following summer..

As of right now, I'd like to see something like this:

Draft Marshon Brooks with our 1st rounder -- Yesterday I watched an archived replay on ESPN of his final home game, Providence vs. Rutgers (a game Providence actually won) and Brooks was AMAZING..So much more than just a great scorer---dude rebounds, comes up with a good deal of steals and blocks but best of all, he handles the ball EXTREMELY WELL and always has his head up looking to make plays for his teammates (he truly is an EXCELLENT passer and playmaker---very unselfish esp. for a guy that drops 25 a night)..Most of the time he'll execute great passes that his temmates just don't finish..Very mature, skilled player with a tremendous feel for the game...He's so far and away more talented than any of his Friar temmates it's not even funny..On a completely different level..A man playing with boys..Judging by some of these internet mocks, where he gets very little love for whatever reason, ignorance and unfamilarity most likely---most of them have him going in the 2nd round or low 1st--I think he'd be a steal in the 17-20 range..Capital S STEAL if we could get him later, but I wouldn't even chance it..There's a very good chance we could be without Shawne Williams and Billy Walker next year (Shawne Williams in particular might be looking for a raise that we might not be able to provide) and the following year, Landry Fields could bolt on us the same way Wes Matthews Jr bolted for Portland and a big payday..Then what? I say grab Brooks with our 1st rounder (a gotta say though, based on his NBA-ready talent, I'd be shocked if he slipped past the top 10) and consider yourself lucky...Alas, if we have no interest in Brooks and Kenneth Faried's there, TAKE THAT DUDE..Fill the need and don't look back..Seen him a few times this year and his hyperkinetic style of relenting rebounding/hustle/defense is truly amazing..I'd have absolutely no problem sliding Amar'e over to the 5 fulltime in order to make room for Faried at the 4..Like Brooks, Faried would be an instant difference-maker for us in year 1, obviously at a different position..After those 2 -- my 1 & 1a choices) I'm not sure...Briggs talked about Jordan Williams and I'd be behind that pick 100%..Dude's big and he can score and rebound the ball..He'd also help us a great deal right outta the gate..

Remaining mindful of salary cap rules and regs, instead of purchasing another 1 which I don't believe we'll be able to do anyway, go hard after a high 2nd rounder and perhaps even a second lower 2--I wanna see them get aggressive and greedy in this draft (convince Dolan to cough up the coin, as much as $6M if necessary to be used in two seperate transactions--go after 3 picks total)..Be prepared to grab center prospect Benson, or any of these guys in that range (a few talented bigs may slip farther than where they're currently projected): Jordan Williams, JaJuan Johnson, Trey Thompkins, etc... I also like Demetri McCamey's shooting ability and heads up floor game for a big PG (I think Chauncey Billups could really mentor this guy next year in a lot of the nuances) or maybe even the big perimeter forward from Richmond that some of you guys love, Justin Harper...With the 2nd 2, draft a 3rd solid component: Jon Diebler (huge upgrade over Billy Walker), Rick Jackson (provided we don't address the rebounding issue with one of the higher picks), maybe the little talented sparkplug Jacob Pullen, etc...

Sign Marcus Cousin and DeShawn Sims to smart 1-yr deals if they're available. Perhaps PG Curtis Stinson too, if they want PG depth beyond TD and can't bring back Anthony Carter.

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3/10/2011  10:03 AM
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will pick up Billups contract for next year. The most realistic option for the Knicks to find a big man is the draft.

I think that picking up Chauncey will depend heavily upon how well Toney plays for the rest of the season. I'm guessing he'll get a lot of minutes and if he's good to go, why would NY spend $14 million on Billups when they could use Douglas and try to get a real C and/or fill in holes in the overall depth of the team. I don't see the Knicks getting CP or DWill without having pieces to trade and I don't think Billups will be that piece to pry away an All-Star point that is 10 years younger. Right now we don't have the pieces needed to put together the type of deal that was required for Melo for either of the guys mentioned and I don't see NJ accommodating NY with DWill. Who's the big in the draft that will be a contributor or game changer for the Knicks? Just asking.

People seriously wanna break bank to sign Marc Gasol?

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