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The New Look Knicks are 4-1 if you take out the bizzaro games against Cleveland.
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3/7/2011  1:38 PM
I still can't believe the Cleveland games...
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3/7/2011  1:40 PM
If the Knicks won the 3 losses against Cleveland this year, they'd be a game out of the 5th seed.
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3/7/2011  1:42 PM
Panos wrote:If the Knicks won the 3 losses against Cleveland this year, they'd be a game out of the 5th seed.

I'm not interested in changing the results, I'm talking about looking at what worked against three pretty good teams (four if you count Milwaukee, which I do - I think that team is much better than its record).

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3/7/2011  7:14 PM
knicks1248 wrote:We Will be a .500 team for the remainder of the season..

No way, we'll be above .500. After the trade I said 10-12 games to get a better picture. We're 7 games into the new sqaud.....

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3/7/2011  7:18 PM
The Lakers lost to Cleveland at home and I bet the worst the Lakers do this year is end up in the Western Conference Finals. Sometimes bad teams just play certain teams well. I remember when I was a kid the Knicks sucked, and the Celtics had Bird, McHale, Parish and we beat them like 4 times.
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3/7/2011  7:29 PM
The thing with the Cleveland games is I feel Amar'e is the most to blame for both the losses, moreso than D'Antoni (although we can probably impute Amare's bad D to D'Antoni's lack of coaching defense)

First game @Cleveland, Amar'e again puts zero effort in boxing out. Knicks get killed on the boards, particularly by Amar'es man JJ Hickson. It reminded me of the Minny loss against Love, where again, Amar'e didn't even hold himself accountable for letting Love beast on the glass.

Second game, we do better on the boards, but then Amar'e was horrible defending the pick and roll. You can't expect Toney D or Anthony Carter to be able to keep up with the opposing PG when they're using a screen. It's up to Amar'e to show himself to the dribble penetration to stop the drive, and then go back to his man once TD/Carter has fought over the screen and can get back on their man. Instead, Amar'e was caught flat footed on a number of occasions, allowing Sessions and B. Davis to constantly get to the hoop, or create enough havoc off the drive to find the open man.

So yeah, our original franchise star needed to step up more than Melo or D'Antoni in those games. But go figure, Melo and D'Antoni got most of the heat for the losses.
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3/7/2011  7:30 PM
Amare was taking it easy against Cleveland. If anyone took them lightly it was him honestly. Melo was busting his ass on defense and amare was sleeping.
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3/7/2011  7:37 PM
I think that players sometimes let their ego's get to them and believe that they can jump higher or as high as anybody else. Sog, when a shot goes up, they just go and jump for the rebound instead of boxing out their man without leaving the ground since the other guy might be bigger or jump higher.

Many player are guilty of this. What was great about Oakley was that he knew what he was. He knew almost everyone was more athletic and could jump higher than him but he was/is very strong. He would most often never leave the ground for a rebound. He just boxed and boxed and boxed.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/7/2011  7:37 PM
simrud wrote:Can't do this, the Cavs games just point to the inconsistency of our defense and rebounding. Both games were lost because we could not get a stop or rebound. Scoring should never be an issue for this team, it has 2 guys that can score one on one wihout any flow to the offense.

In my opinion this team should grind it out like we used to with Houston and Spree. Slow the game down, play hard D and rebound, then walk it up and iso all day to get double teams and swing the ball etc.


I agree Carmelo and Amare are better when they slow it down. The rest of the guys are definitely better that way. The ball should be in Amare or Melo's hands 90% of the time. The other 10% is Chauncey bringing up the ball. Trying to watch Toney create off the dribble or Landry work a pick and roll is embarassing. Shawne should never leave the corner either. In some ways I find it a miracle that Dantoni can keep our offensive stats so high.
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3/7/2011  10:01 PM
now 5-1 if you take out the bizarro Cleveland games. 5-3 overall.

a work in progress. tonight was a nice step.

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3/7/2011  10:07 PM
toodarkmark wrote:The Lakers lost to Cleveland at home and I bet the worst the Lakers do this year is end up in the Western Conference Finals. Sometimes bad teams just play certain teams well. I remember when I was a kid the Knicks sucked, and the Celtics had Bird, McHale, Parish and we beat them like 4 times.

It woke them up, looks like it woke up the Knicks as well. Cleveland played hungry and sometimes that's enough to win against more talented teams.
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