Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hawks should be a cautionary tale for the new look nuggets. when you start paying a bunch of guys who are pretty good and play well together... suddenly they are overpaid and your team is locked into mediocrity.

Knicks are paying superstars in their prime and trying to work them in. The Miami Heat are a cautionary tale for the Knicks, but I don't think these Knicks have the ego problems the Heat clearly do.

Very good points. Your comment about the Nugs are dead on and is what I said before. The Nugs might look entertaining, but they will forever be penciled into that 5-8 seed out west which is basketball oblivion. They might break into the second round once and lose but unless they can get Melo or someone on his level, they will be the Hawks of the west, and probably not even that good.

This is exactly correct. Even if Gallo and Nene make a couple all-star games, their ceiling is the western conference Hawks. And it's not even a guarantee they get to that point. I would definitely say this is the kind of future we mortgaged for an opportunity to compete. I see our Big 3 as a better fit together than the Miami team, and i think we have an opportunity to surpass them if we can add some great surrounding pieces quickly.

well look at the flip side.. what if they parlay chandler, moz, JR smith and the picks they got from us into a player like paul, or williams, or some other stud? then what do you have? remember denver now has a lot of assets to move, and will be in a cap friendly position...

AnubisADL wrote:If we could have signed Joe Johnson this summer and added Carmelo we would have been sitting pretty.

Joe Johnson = Chris Bosh

Chauncey Billups > Joe Johnson/Chris Bosh

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Hawks should be a cautionary tale for the new look nuggets. when you start paying a bunch of guys who are pretty good and play well together... suddenly they are overpaid and your team is locked into mediocrity.

Knicks are paying superstars in their prime and trying to work them in. The Miami Heat are a cautionary tale for the Knicks, but I don't think these Knicks have the ego problems the Heat clearly do.

Very good points. Your comment about the Nugs are dead on and is what I said before. The Nugs might look entertaining, but they will forever be penciled into that 5-8 seed out west which is basketball oblivion. They might break into the second round once and lose but unless they can get Melo or someone on his level, they will be the Hawks of the west, and probably not even that good.

This is exactly correct. Even if Gallo and Nene make a couple all-star games, their ceiling is the western conference Hawks. And it's not even a guarantee they get to that point. I would definitely say this is the kind of future we mortgaged for an opportunity to compete. I see our Big 3 as a better fit together than the Miami team, and i think we have an opportunity to surpass them if we can add some great surrounding pieces quickly.

well look at the flip side.. what if they parlay chandler, moz, JR smith and the picks they got from us into a player like paul, or williams, or some other stud? then what do you have? remember denver now has a lot of assets to move, and will be in a cap friendly position...

Trust me. You over value these assets far more than they do. Chris Paul and Deron Williams are not clamoring to be traded to Denver, and guess what, Chandler, Danilo, and Mosgov are just not very interesting to most teams. And how will they be in a cap friendly position? Most of their team is up for free agency at some point soon. Nene, Felton, Danilo, Chandler, Afflalo are all up either this year or next. Come back to reality please.

technomaster wrote:While it was extremely unexpected... the early 2000's Pistons teams won w/o any clear superstars... and made it to the conference finals for the next half a decade or so.

Sadly for the Hawks, the decision to draft Marvin Williams (over any number of options - Williams, Paul, and even Felton!) really hurt them in retrospect.

They also drafted Shelden Williams over Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, etc.

Allanfan20 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:If we could have signed Joe Johnson this summer and added Carmelo we would have been sitting pretty.

Joe Johnson = Chris Bosh

JJ and Melo would have been a horrible combo.

Not really. Joe Johnson would have played his role.

technomaster wrote:While it was extremely unexpected... the early 2000's Pistons teams won w/o any clear superstars... and made it to the conference finals for the next half a decade or so.

Sadly for the Hawks, the decision to draft Marvin Williams (over any number of options - Williams, Paul, and even Felton!) really hurt them in retrospect.

They probably don't have Al Horford as a result as they wouldn't have been a lottery team.

technomaster wrote:While it was extremely unexpected... the early 2000's Pistons teams won w/o any clear superstars... and made it to the conference finals for the next half a decade or so.

Sadly for the Hawks, the decision to draft Marvin Williams (over any number of options - Williams, Paul, and even Felton!) really hurt them in retrospect.

They had a team full of athletic 3's at the time, Chris Paul was right there for the taking and they passed. I knew Marvin WWilliams would be a bust. Its funny because I own a small restaurant, and Earl Monroe eats there regularly. He walks in and I remember theres a Knick game coming on so I put it on the TV (this is the game vs. ATL a week or so before the Melo trade.) We talk about Marvin Williams and how that pick set their franchise back because he hasn't panned out to be what a #2 pick in the draft should have been. Their GM should have really been fired for that.

Of course Earl was very diplomatic when talking about Marvin Williams. I wasn't. lol. But he's a cool dude.