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JohnWallace44
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3/8/2011  10:34 PM
martin wrote:this is better way to gauge: http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

Knicks 6th offensively and 19th defensively.

Isn't the discussion pretty much over after Martin's post?

Its incredibly annoying when the media uses PPG allowed as the lone defensive measuring stick. That has very little to do with it.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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nixluva
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3/8/2011  11:10 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
martin wrote:this is better way to gauge: http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

Knicks 6th offensively and 19th defensively.

Isn't the discussion pretty much over after Martin's post?

Its incredibly annoying when the media uses PPG allowed as the lone defensive measuring stick. That has very little to do with it.


Mostly it's laziness. I'm more interested in how a team is playing right now as opposed to what they did to start the year. Right now the Sixers are a good team. They're playing real well and real hard. If someone only looked at the stats they'd get the wrong idea about how dangerous that team is. They're playing at a far higher level than they did to start the year. I think the Knicks will end up being the same way.

People are gonna look at the records of the teams facing each other in the playoffs and think that some of the lower teams have no shot. That's not true based on how those teams are playing right now. The Sixers and Knicks are gonna be real pain in the butt for any team they face.

nykshaknbake
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3/8/2011  11:35 PM
I've been around the team long enough to be a little cautious in getting my hopes up. Now that I've answered your question, how about answering my questions in my last post, which can b answered yes or no, but it'd be great to see why too.

nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:Wow so you went from let's wait untillt o th end of the season to MDA is good period. I think we've seen alot of MDA coaching and it's more than fair to give him the rest of the season and the playoffs. I would be happy if we made it a comoetitive series..It'd be really hard to heat the top 3 in the east. But if we get blown out of the water, it would be unreasonable to bring him back. You've never been interested on how the team is playing currently when it's been bad in terms of evaluating MDA. When they're down it's like look at Phoenix of years ago, so don't start with that now. If he makes the playoffs competitive and D improves and stays for the rest of the season it's a no brainer he should be back. But if the team regresses from here, even you would have to concede it would be time for him to move on. Again, most coaches are decent X O people. But the good ones get their team to buy in. He's got the rest of the season to do that;something he hasn't really done for 2.5 years.

Why are you talking about the team regressing? It's not like the team has been playing poorly. Given the changeover and injuries, i'd say that Mike has done a great job so far with the new roster. He seems to be overcoming all the issues that keep coming up. He's adjusted to the strengths of the guys he has now in fairly quick fashion.

I've been a supporter of Mike, because he's a good coach. Before the trade the team was pretty much on target for what most thought the team was capable of. Despite the young players being clearly effected by all the trade talk. So far the post trade situation has been handled fairly well aside from the Cavs games. I'm concerned about the remaining tough schedule, but I think the team is gonna pull thru. I'd feel better if we were more healthy.

nixluva
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3/8/2011  11:49 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:I've been around the team long enough to be a little cautious in getting my hopes up. Now that I've answered your question, how about answering my questions in my last post, which can b answered yes or no, but it'd be great to see why too.

nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:Wow so you went from let's wait untillt o th end of the season to MDA is good period. I think we've seen alot of MDA coaching and it's more than fair to give him the rest of the season and the playoffs. I would be happy if we made it a comoetitive series..It'd be really hard to heat the top 3 in the east. But if we get blown out of the water, it would be unreasonable to bring him back. You've never been interested on how the team is playing currently when it's been bad in terms of evaluating MDA. When they're down it's like look at Phoenix of years ago, so don't start with that now. If he makes the playoffs competitive and D improves and stays for the rest of the season it's a no brainer he should be back. But if the team regresses from here, even you would have to concede it would be time for him to move on. Again, most coaches are decent X O people. But the good ones get their team to buy in. He's got the rest of the season to do that;something he hasn't really done for 2.5 years.

Why are you talking about the team regressing? It's not like the team has been playing poorly. Given the changeover and injuries, i'd say that Mike has done a great job so far with the new roster. He seems to be overcoming all the issues that keep coming up. He's adjusted to the strengths of the guys he has now in fairly quick fashion.

I've been a supporter of Mike, because he's a good coach. Before the trade the team was pretty much on target for what most thought the team was capable of. Despite the young players being clearly effected by all the trade talk. So far the post trade situation has been handled fairly well aside from the Cavs games. I'm concerned about the remaining tough schedule, but I think the team is gonna pull thru. I'd feel better if we were more healthy.

You seem to be lost in your attempt to make a point. Mike has been able to get the key players on the team to buy in, over the 2 previous years, but you can't ignore the fact that we've been trying to improve the talent on the team and making wholesale changes. Or in your world do you just get to cherry pick what things we're going to acknowledge.

We got rid of all the selfish idiots and for the most part this group is buying in. The wins we've had recently have been pretty impressive. Holding teams to 86, 88 and 79 and a blowout 131-109 win is pretty indicative of a team buying in.

No one is saying Mike is perfect. Very few coaches are, but he is a good coach and I think he's been able to deal with what is a tough spot. 1st of all this is NY and not everyone can take it, even more so when you've been losing for 2 years. This year he had the team playing pretty well before the trade and so far after the trade things have been OK. Not great, but not bad either. No Billups and we're still winning? That's pretty good in my book.

nykshaknbake
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3/9/2011  7:37 AM
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:I've been around the team long enough to be a little cautious in getting my hopes up. Now that I've answered your question, how about answering my questions in my last post, which can b answered yes or no, but it'd be great to see why too.

nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:Wow so you went from let's wait untillt o th end of the season to MDA is good period. I think we've seen alot of MDA coaching and it's more than fair to give him the rest of the season and the playoffs. I would be happy if we made it a comoetitive series..It'd be really hard to heat the top 3 in the east. But if we get blown out of the water, it would be unreasonable to bring him back. You've never been interested on how the team is playing currently when it's been bad in terms of evaluating MDA. When they're down it's like look at Phoenix of years ago, so don't start with that now. If he makes the playoffs competitive and D improves and stays for the rest of the season it's a no brainer he should be back. But if the team regresses from here, even you would have to concede it would be time for him to move on. Again, most coaches are decent X O people. But the good ones get their team to buy in. He's got the rest of the season to do that;something he hasn't really done for 2.5 years.

Why are you talking about the team regressing? It's not like the team has been playing poorly. Given the changeover and injuries, i'd say that Mike has done a great job so far with the new roster. He seems to be overcoming all the issues that keep coming up. He's adjusted to the strengths of the guys he has now in fairly quick fashion.

I've been a supporter of Mike, because he's a good coach. Before the trade the team was pretty much on target for what most thought the team was capable of. Despite the young players being clearly effected by all the trade talk. So far the post trade situation has been handled fairly well aside from the Cavs games. I'm concerned about the remaining tough schedule, but I think the team is gonna pull thru. I'd feel better if we were more healthy.

You seem to be lost in your attempt to make a point. Mike has been able to get the key players on the team to buy in, over the 2 previous years, but you can't ignore the fact that we've been trying to improve the talent on the team and making wholesale changes. Or in your world do you just get to cherry pick what things we're going to acknowledge.

We got rid of all the selfish idiots and for the most part this group is buying in. The wins we've had recently have been pretty impressive. Holding teams to 86, 88 and 79 and a blowout 131-109 win is pretty indicative of a team buying in.

No one is saying Mike is perfect. Very few coaches are, but he is a good coach and I think he's been able to deal with what is a tough spot. 1st of all this is NY and not everyone can take it, even more so when you've been losing for 2 years. This year he had the team playing pretty well before the trade and so far after the trade things have been OK. Not great, but not bad either. No Billups and we're still winning? That's pretty good in my book.

In my world and that which corresponds to relaity when you bring global statistics in by defeineition it's the opposite of cherry picking. What's cherry picking is when you tell me like you have the last 2 games we played good D so that proves Mike D is a good defensive coach. Cherry picking is well in our wins we gave up x # of points while ignoring the losses. I've acknowledged all your questions an points but you can't answer a simple question. WHich selfish idiots are we talking about anyway? Which combo of Mozgov, Chandler, Gallo or Felton were you just referring to? We are certainly playing well right now, but I think this team is close to contention and just like you say we can't judge Mike on the past 2 seasons because everything is different, we can't base our expectations on the team of the last 2 seasons.

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