He didn't really attract LBJ or Wade, but hey, we got our two stars.

Let's go out and get a defensive coach now.

I'm angry and disgusted about the losses, but I also know that this is a lot of parts Mike is trying to work with that aren't exactly matching up too well. Like I said in another thread, Denver only ran more and didn't really have to change much of what they do well. We on the other hand have had to change a lot and on top of that we had no size and had to work in guys like Jared and Shelden, Anthony Carter etc. It's just not there yet. They play good D one game and awful the next. I think they just need more time to work this out, so I'm not about to panic so soon. I still feel good about the teams chances the rest of the way. Especially as we get Billups and Turiaf back.

I don't know if he sucks at teaching it, but at least D'antoni is really trying to make them play decent defense. They say they don't understand, and it shows. Will they ever?

Im getting tired of excuses with this team.

nixluva wrote:All of this sucks, but I still think Mike deserves to coach his way out of this. You can't do anything with the coach right now anyway. It's too late in the season. I want to see this team play and after the season then we can make a fair judgement. It doesn't matter the strength of the opponent when it comes to this team. We can beat anyone and lose to anyone. That's just how fragile this thing is right now. You can't overreact to things like this. I can't think of another coach that's had this many players change in and out over a 3 year period. You don't want me to list all of the players we've had on this team since Mike got here. It's an unreal list.

I'm angry and disgusted about the losses, but I also know that this is a lot of parts Mike is trying to work with that aren't exactly matching up too well. Like I said in another thread, Denver only ran more and didn't really have to change much of what they do well. We on the other hand have had to change a lot and on top of that we had no size and had to work in guys like Jared and Shelden, Anthony Carter etc. It's just not there yet. They play good D one game and awful the next. I think they just need more time to work this out, so I'm not about to panic so soon. I still feel good about the teams chances the rest of the way. Especially as we get Billups and Turiaf back.

Papabear Says

Nixluva I part agree with you that we can't do anything this season. When a team is making a run on you and you are leading by 12 points and they cut it to 8 or 6 points you call a time out. Not when they tie the score. D'Antoni was out coached. I am also dissappointed with you for not commenting on my music page log. Now you are a music producer and I know that you saw my page but you never commented. What's that about?? I wouldn't have done that to you. Maybe I might know you.The music biz is small.

Paladin55 wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Did anybody see the "Mic'ed up" segment where they showed an extremely angry D'antoni urging his players to play the defense like it was practiced and to get their heads in the game?

I didn't see the segment, but if the practice he's referring to occurred a week ago, that's not good enough.

Of course you are privy to everything which goes on in our practices so you can make this kind of statement based on observation... right?

What part of "if" don't you get?

Paladin55 wrote:Original title of this thread:

Most of the UK brotherhood now believe we got the better of the Melo trade- so failure to achieve must mean that MDA should leave.

As in my profession, HS teaching, it is no longer the fault of the players (students) that they cannot perform to certain standards. It must be another person's fault.

I'm a teacher aswell (8th grade) and I must say, if year in and year out the students change but the end result stays the same (state test averages remain low) then you have to point the finger at the teacher at some point, especially if the teachers next door have the same demographic of students and thier test scores increase year in year out. Sometimes the teacher needs to reflect on the lesson he just taught, see what went wrong and make the approriate adjustments (change philosphy) to help the students (players) improve.

Every student is different and cant be taught the same way ( all the players we have are not built for 7 seconds or less)so its up to the teacher to adjust to the students he has. If the teacher has trouble doing this, the administration will usually send the teacher to various workshops for improvement or pair the teacher up with an experienced mentor (MDA could be paired with a defensive minded assistant similar to Thibbs with Doc in Boston). We all have pride, and the hardest thing to do is look into ourselves and admit that we need help. Some of us teachers (coaches) are too stuborn to do that, but if we can be honest with ourselves and admit that its all about the kids (players)and become selfless, embrace the help whether it be help with planning (gameplan), classroom management (practice, player expectations) then it might be able to work itself out.

Perfect example, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were always known as offensive players until they were put into a system and now they are a part of perhaps the best defensive core in the league. If the students next door averages are blowing my test averages out of the water and these kids are from the same neighborhood, both are on free-and-reduced lunch, as I teacher I'm going to scratch my head and wonder what is the teacher next door doing that I'm not? I suspect that MDA's expectations are different that the norm defensive coach and the culture (classroom management) is different.

I learned a lesson from my teacher friend when I observed her class. Her students came in, grabbed thier folders and got to work on the warmup, started the lesson with no hiccups and robotically, placed the folders back on the shelf just as the bell sounded for next period. I realized that every single minute in her classroom was accounted for. I had to admit to myself that my environment wasn't the same. I would lose a good ten minutes everyday trying to get the kids to settle down and they got used to it. I was losing valuble minutes of teaching time. No I'm not at Knicks practices, but I can guess that the practice environemt is probably similar to how my classroom used to be. Too relaxed, not enough accountability, not enough skill and drill, etc. You cant have a 40 minute emphases when (A) you didnt set the standard before, and (B) and dont continue to follow up and (C)after the test (game) is over your first comment is about missing shots. This tells me the teacher (coach) is not fully embracing the new philosphy that hes trying to get across to the students (players). At some point, the teacher, coach needs to be removed. The state (Dolan) is putting in too much money to allow these students (players) who have just as much potential as some of the students (players) in the same hallway to allow them not to get the proper education deserved to them all because the the teacher(coach)is either inadequate at his job or just too stubborn or not fully committed to change.

orangeblobman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Original title of this thread:

Most of the UK brotherhood now believe we got the better of the Melo trade- so failure to achieve must mean that MDA should leave.

As in my profession, HS teaching, it is no longer the fault of the players (students) that they cannot perform to certain standards. It must be another person's fault.

I'm a teacher aswell (8th grade) and I must say, if year in and year out the students change but the end result stays the same (state test averages remain low) then you have to point the finger at the teacher at some point, especially if the teachers next door have the same demographic of students and thier test scores increase year in year out. Sometimes the teacher needs to reflect on the lesson he just taught, see what went wrong and make the approriate adjustments (change philosphy) to help the students (players) improve.

Every student is different and cant be taught the same way ( all the players we have are not built for 7 seconds or less)so its up to the teacher to adjust to the students he has. If the teacher has trouble doing this, the administration will usually send the teacher to various workshops for improvement or pair the teacher up with an experienced mentor (MDA could be paired with a defensive minded assistant similar to Thibbs with Doc in Boston). We all have pride, and the hardest thing to do is look into ourselves and admit that we need help. Some of us teachers (coaches) are too stuborn to do that, but if we can be honest with ourselves and admit that its all about the kids (players)and become selfless, embrace the help whether it be help with planning (gameplan), classroom management (practice, player expectations) then it might be able to work itself out.

Perfect example, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were always known as offensive players until they were put into a system and now they are a part of perhaps the best defensive core in the league. If the students next door averages are blowing my test averages out of the water and these kids are from the same neighborhood, both are on free-and-reduced lunch, as I teacher I'm going to scratch my head and wonder what is the teacher next door doing that I'm not? I suspect that MDA's expectations are different that the norm defensive coach and the culture (classroom management) is different.

I learned a lesson from my teacher friend when I observed her class. Her students came in, grabbed thier folders and got to work on the warmup, started the lesson with no hiccups and robotically, placed the folders back on the shelf just as the bell sounded for next period. I realized that every single minute in her classroom was accounted for. I had to admit to myself that my environment wasn't the same. I would lose a good ten minutes everyday trying to get the kids to settle down and they got used to it. I was losing valuble minutes of teaching time. No I'm not at Knicks practices, but I can guess that the practice environemt is probably similar to how my classroom used to be. Too relaxed, not enough accountability, not enough skill and drill, etc. You cant have a 40 minute emphases when (A) you didnt set the standard before, and (B) and dont continue to follow up and (C)after the test (game) is over your first comment is about missing shots. This tells me the teacher (coach) is not fully embracing the new philosphy that hes trying to get across to the students (players). At some point, the teacher, coach needs to be removed. The state (Dolan) is putting in too much money to allow these students (players) who have just as much potential as some of the students (players) in the same hallway to allow them not to get the proper education deserved to them all because the the teacher(coach)is either inadequate at his job or just too stubborn or not fully committed to change.

You must be a young teacher and still highly idealistic.

You lie about the "teachers next door having the same demographics...and showing improvement".

It's not the economy, but the students (players), stupid.

Far from a young teacher, but judging from your name calling its obvious your mind is sill in the fetal stages regardless of how old you might be. Your retort reminds me of my 13-14 year old low achieving students who resort to name-calling when they want so deperately to disagree with the facts that was just presented but their brains aren't quite capable of fully analyzing what was said nor is it capable of a quality confutation so they call the presenter (Stupid!, Dumb! Lier! or fall back on the always comforting....Yo-Momma!)