BRIGGS wrote:

waly01 wrote:Denver did very well for themselves in this trade but I will garuntee you that if you went to them right now and gave them the choice to unwind the trade and keep an extended Melo, they wouldnt even think twice about it.

Since they HAD to get rid of a stat, they did it and did great for themselves but at the end of the day, the stars are the toughest parts of the pie to acquire - you'd rather kept Anthony.

If the Knicks offered me the package I gave them for Melo back(for Melo and Billups) I would drop the phone laughing. there is no way Denver would take that back. They know it and while both teams should have success--its Denver IMHO thats in a better position. If it wasnt for a missed FT--Denver would be 5-0 since the trade. And they get to ad gallo back in about a week. Like i said its not the star but the cumulative talent. Also Im not sure a star is a guy who goes 10-23 every other game.

I think the difference here will be in the playoffs where Stars rise up and take over and they can score in the half court sets while cumulative talent can do well during the regular season but can struggle without a true goto guy(s) in the playoffs.

But I agree. No way Denver takes back this move. They will soon have the cap flexibility to add a star and have a CRAZY deep team. NO WAY they reverse this move.

BRIGGS wrote:

waly01 wrote:Denver did very well for themselves in this trade but I will garuntee you that if you went to them right now and gave them the choice to unwind the trade and keep an extended Melo, they wouldnt even think twice about it.

Since they HAD to get rid of a stat, they did it and did great for themselves but at the end of the day, the stars are the toughest parts of the pie to acquire - you'd rather kept Anthony.

If the Knicks offered me the package I gave them for Melo back(for Melo and Billups) I would drop the phone laughing. there is no way Denver would take that back. They know it and while both teams should have success--its Denver IMHO thats in a better position. If it wasnt for a missed FT--Denver would be 5-0 since the trade. And they get to ad gallo back in about a week. Like i said its not the star but the cumulative talent. Also Im not sure a star is a guy who goes 10-23 every other game.

Tell that to Kobe, regarding 10-23. He takes tough shots which creates spacing for everyone else.

Knicks are built to win in the playoffs, Denver is not.

Knicks are 4-2 since the trade and they've played a tougher schedule - Cleveland is a far tougher out than Charlotte at this point.

If the Nuggets offered the Knicks the same package to get Melo back, the Knicks would hang up laughing, too. Luckily both teams seem happy with what they got. Let's see how happy Denver is when they start playing road games or games against guys who hadn't just traded core pieces of their team away (Boston/Utah).

For all the talent Denver got, they're going to have to decide very soon how much they are worth - all of them need new contracts within the next year and a half.

mreinman wrote:Still trying to figure out what the hell they needed Mozgov for and his 3 million per. I feel bad for him. He finally started playing again and now we is back riding the bench. They (Denver) just wanted to make it as painful to the Knicks as possible. The knicks coulda given away alot less and still made this trade.

That's just not a true comment. Denver was ready to trade him to NJ and Melo would have signed there - he wanted the extension. If you wanted Melo, that was the price.

mreinman wrote:So you think that Denver chose to send him to NY because we offered the better package? I think it was because they were bluffing and Melo was never gonna sign with Jersey.

Melo was gonna get that money and If it was in Brooklyn then he was a 'gwin!

Moz was thrown in because they wanted an asset to either play in the event Nene leaves or as a trade. Maybe they trade Birdman and keep the Moz.

Its an asset. 7-1 athletes like that don't grow on trees!

Moz is work a first round pick. I'd be happy to give them our pick to get him back.

We can't trade that pick but we can draft for them and then trade.

Maybe thats whats up?

MS wrote:They essentially got better at every position with the trade. Chandler and Gallo together at the SF is better than Melo period. Melo plays no defense, rarely passes the ball and takes horrible outside shots.

Getting Felton really allows them to push the tempo and there defense is also better at every position. They are a dangerous team and as dangerous as anyone. Our big problem was size and a backup point guard they have plenty of both and JR Smith is more efficient than Anthony.

Obvioulsy there parts are easier to mess with but rarley to you win in this league with one on one players that don't play defense.

BINGO.. but before the trade all you heard was . melo> gallo and chandler.. and if you didn't agree or put up a valid, reasonable argument, you were considered a gallo homer, or just stuupid... but anyway... I have beat this argument to death.. Denver is fun to watch and even a better team, thanks to the knicks..

knickstorrents wrote:To me I would have to say no. They tried to win with Melo for 7-8 years with very very good pieces around him, and it did not work. Right now they have cap flexibility, youth, and draft picks. Their biggest salary is Kenyon Martin (16mm) that ends this year. Next largest salary is Nene at a very reasonable 11mm that ends next year. Their total salary next year is 40mm and they are strong at every position.

They have a team that can get as far in the playoffs as their old team with Melo, so they really did not lose anything at all.

I wish the Knicks were in as good shape.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Nuggs will be a team year in year that I believe will place anywhere from 5-7 and in a good year 4. They might break through to the semis one year but I think thats as far they ever go. I dont believe the Nuggs as currently contstructed will ever reach the western conference finals as Melos team did and extend the Lakers. Ironically, I think the The Nuggs are a Carmelo Anthony type of closer/#1 option away from really competing for one of the top seeds out west. They'll be chasing the Carmelo Anthony player from here on out and most likely he will allude them as these players are very hard to get. Thats why I like our position much better than Denvers.

scoshin wrote:Affalo and Chandler are up for a new contract this summer.

They also have to make a decision on whether to bring back JR Smith and/or K-Mart.

They then have Gallo up for a new contract in '12 and Ty Lawson the year after.

Sure, there situation is a lot more enviable than other rebuilding teams like Cleveland, Toronto, etc., but they have some tough decisions coming up and they won't be able to preserve all the depth they have right now. They're a "dangerous" team in that they can cause an upset in the 1st rd in the playoffs, much like Golden State was a dangerous team a few years ago. But I don't see them as being in a better position as the Knicks are, who have 2 stars in place, a vet PG in Billups, and $13M more in cap space in 2012.

Cosign.

More importantly, they now have the pieces to make a move in the off season or next season. They can put a package together and grab a big time player or they can try to become a great team without a star. I dont think they are built to win it all as currently constructed but they have options.

AnubisADL wrote:I cant wait to see what people say when the Nuggets are in the lottery next year.

Reality is Denver might not even make the playoffs because the West is tight.

They are sitting at the 5 spot with a 37-26 record. Going to be a pretty big meltdown for them to miss the playoffs.